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I recently purchased a rose from Mistydowns sold as Rosa Spinosissima 'Canonvale'.
The label tells us ' A foundling discovered by David Rustin'. To my eye though the rose photographed by Margaret Furness and illustrated at http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.21970 appears identical to the rose sold by Mistydills. (My example illustrated below. )
Rosa Spinosissima 'Canonvale' does not appear anywhere on HMF that I can find. If there are differences between these two roses I'd very much like to learn what they are.
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There is a town of Cannonvale in Queensland listed in the postcode book, but I suspect that the Canonvale roses were found at a Victorian property called Canonvale. No proof however.
I do know that the now-closed Hilltop Nursery in 2001 was listing a purple maroon "Canonvale Maroon" hybrid perpetual.
David Ruston's budwood catalogue for 2003-2004 p31 & 99 lists a medium red hybrid tea called Canonvale Red which he lists as [possibly] an Alister Clark rose.
And the 2005 Mistydowns catalogue lists a mid pink R. spin. Canonvale. This last rose is also listed in David's 2003-2004 budwood catalogue. Having a wild stab here, I would say that someone gave David foundlings from the Canonvale property and Mistydowns bought budwood from him. It does seem similar to the rose which came to me as R. spinosissima bicolour.
I have not added these three foundlings to HelpMefind as only these meagre references has been found to the roses to date.
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Rob Peace collected roses from a property called Canonvale at Yea in Victoria. They included a rose given the study name of "Canonvale (under) Figtree Tea", which may be what is now known as "David's Dilemma".
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Well the rose I've purchased from Mistydowns and the one illustrated at http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.21970 are certainly not teas. I'm sure it's a Spinosissima. We need to hear from Margaret Furness where she found the specimen illustrated.
The only difference I can detect from her shot is more colour saturation but that's often an artifact of photography or climate.
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Photographed in New Zealand; I can't remember for sure but possibly in Fran Rawling's garden.
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It sounds as though that property would have had some exciting old roses.
Margaret - I have put a copy of your paragraph in the "David's Dilemma" file. It is so good to have even that extra "may be" provenance.
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John Nieuwesteeg confirmed that "David's Dilemma" is the old rose found under the fig tree at 'Canonvale' near Yea.
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