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Hello,
I am looking for cuttings of Red Talisman Cl. Your HMF profile indicates that this is one that is grown in your garden. Would you please share this plant with me? I used to have this rose, but lost it in the 2020 fires in my area. It is no longer available commercially and appears to be dying off in public California gardens. Thank you for your consideration.
Sincerely,
Cheryl Connell
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Hello, I’m sorry to say my plant is really on its last legs. It only has one cane. Wish I could help.
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Hello,
I am still looking for cuttings of Red Talisman Cl. Your HMF profile indicates that this is one that is grown in your garden. Would you please share this plant with me? I used to have this rose, but lost it in the 2020 fires in my area. It is no longer available commercially and appears to be dying off in public California gardens. Thank you for your consideration.
Sincerely,
Cheryl Connell
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Your rose garden sounds like heaven on earth. In your garden, do you still have Red Talisman CL ? If so, could you post additional photos of the entire plant?
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Hi there. I don't have a great photo of Cl. Red Talisman. My plant is about twenty years old but it is crowded between two big climbers. It's a tough rose. It blooms twice a year. Mine only has one big cane but every year there is new growth from that cane. It makes large hips, which should be pruned to stimulate more growth and bloom.
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#2 of 5 posted
12 OCT 23 by
caduceus
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Hello again,
I am a rose lover who is still unable to find Red Talisman Cl. anywhere to purchase. It seems to be dying off in places where it used to thrive and is now in danger of extinction. I have been working with various vintage rose curators in California and they have come to the same conclusion.
Would you be willing to help to preserve this rose's beauty and fragrance and very existence by sharing cuttings from your Red Talisman Cl? I would gladly pay you for these cuttings. I just need the unrooted plant material, as I can manage to root them on my end. I live in Oregon, and successfully grew this rose in my garden before I lost it after the wildfires here in September, 2020.
Please give my offer serious consideration, and please do not hesitate to reach out if you have any questions or concerns.
With best regards,
Cheryl Connell
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Hello, I'm so sorry you lost your plant. Mine is in decline. My best chance of getting good wood for a cutting is in the spring. Remind me again then and I'll try.
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#4 of 5 posted
13 OCT 23 by
caduceus
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Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I am sorry to hear that yours is in decline. And where there is life, there is hope. I pray that your rose survives whatever weather conditions this winter brings. I will be in touch in late spring to plan next steps with you.
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Hello,
I am following up to see if I can acquire any cuttings from your Red Talisman Cl. for propagation. I hope that it is still doing well enough to share some material.
Thanks again for your help.
With best regards,
Cheryl Connell
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Hello HMF Experts,
I have a Cl. Etoile de Hollande own root that I have owned for many years of luscious red nodding fragrant blooms. I started a cutting from this plant about 4 years ago, which blossomed with the same roses until 1 year ago. It is is a pot, not the ground.
Last fall, I noticed an deep ivory white rose on the plant. Since it was a very late season rose I thought it might be a seasonal aberation. This spring and summer this cutting again set forth with the usual red roses. However, at this time of year again it is sporting a deep ivory rose with a light peach center. It is fragrant, but not the rich damask scent of the red color. It is a sweet, fruity citrusy scent.
The parent plant still sets only red roses.
Any idea what is causing this phenomenon?
I am on the central Oregon coast about 1/4 mile from the Pacific ocean. I use organic fertilizer about 3 times per year. My roses get 6-10 hours of direct sunlight.
Thanks for your help.
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#1 of 14 posted
30 SEP 19 by
jedmar
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Do I understand correctly that the cutting produced red roses until one year ago and now twice the ivory-peach coloured rose? No red roses anymore?
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#2 of 14 posted
30 SEP 19 by
caduceus
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Thanks for your interest. Both last year and this year it produced red roses in the spring and summer, then a single ivory rose in the early fall.
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#3 of 14 posted
2 OCT 19 by
Jay-Jay
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Looks to me, as if You have found a sport. You might give it a name Yourselves. I envy You a little for this find ;-)
The scent of the original Étoile de Hollande Cl. varies and often has a component of citrus too!
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#4 of 14 posted
3 OCT 19 by
caduceus
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That is an intriguing prospect. I will pay more attention to this rose next spring and tend it with propagation in mind. I hope that this turns out to be a stable sport. The fragrance of this white rose is heavenly. I didn't know that Etoile de Hollande Cl. can have a citrusy scent.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me. I will update this post next year on my sport's progress.
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#5 of 14 posted
3 OCT 19 by
HubertG
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It's possible that a small branch has sported but has produced only blind shoots during the spring and summer so that it seems to only produce the pale flowers in autumn.
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#6 of 14 posted
4 OCT 19 by
caduceus
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts on my rose's growth behavior. I will pay close attention next year to what part of the rose produces red flowers and what part produces white flowers. I think the top part of the plant that produced the white flower this year also produced last year's white flower. I just can't say for sure where the red flowers were on the plant this spring and summer.
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No more updates? Was it a sport or not?
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#8 of 14 posted
1 JUL 23 by
caduceus
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Thank you for your interest. It is a sport. An intoxicating meld of beauty and fragrance. It has produced only pearly peach/ivory blooms since the time it bloomed in 2019. The scent of this sport is the same as when it first appeared--a powerful citrusy yet sweet perfume with a bit of Madagascar bourbon vanilla. Not al all like the parent plant. I can smell it from 2 feet away.
The sport does not have vigorous growth like the parent plant--however, it is healthy. It did not produce any flowers last year. We had had a long cold wet spring this year so it has just leafed out.
The parent plant still produces only classic red blooms of Etoile de Hollande Cl.
I would love to share some photos. And would appreciate your thoughts.
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#9 of 14 posted
1 JUL 23 by
Jay-Jay
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It doesn't look to me like Étoile de Hollande at all!
Might there be a mix-up?
Do You have photo's of Your original Étoile de Hollande too?
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#10 of 14 posted
1 JUL 23 by
caduceus
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I have high confidence that this rose plant came from my red Etoile de Hollande Cl. rose plant. Here is why.
I rarely propagate my roses. When I do, I label the cutting as I did with this one.
It has been in a tightly controlled environment in my back yard from the time I started the process to take it from cutting to rooted plant myself. It came from a cutting of my own Etoile de Hollande Cl. plant.
Also, I obtained my own-root parent plant in the early 2000's from either the Uncommon Rose (now closed) in Corvallis Oregon or Heirloom Nursery in St. Paul Oregon. I trust I received a true Etoile de Hollande Cl. as both nurseries had a strong reputation for ensuring all offerings were true to variety.
This cutting from the parent plant had produced the red blooms of this variety only until I noticed that first late season bloom back in September 2018. And it produced red blooms for 1 year again after that, then no more red blooms. Only white.
The bloom still has the nodding characteristic of the parent plant's bloom as the neck is still rather weak.
I will post a photo of the parent plant later.
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Foliage looks pretty characteristic too... I think we could try to compare it with your Etoile d'hollande's foliage, and/or with some other photos of Etoile d'hollande.
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Have you given it a name?
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#13 of 14 posted
3 JUL 23 by
caduceus
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Haven't given it a thought.
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#14 of 14 posted
13 AUG 23 by
caduceus
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Update 8/13/2023 The sport now has 5 buds in various stages of maturity. I plan to let all buds that emerge mature to flowers so I can make sure it produces only white flowers. It was slow to leaf out this year due to a long cold and rainy spring. It is healthy and going for it with new growth.
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