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RoseGruss an Aachen (hybrid tea, Hinner 1909) most recent 26 NOV SHOW ALL

Initial post 22 JUN 10 by Carlene

I had this rose in a pot in part-shade. I live in zone 9a. It is hot and humid here - and when it did bloom (which wasn't that often) the blooms balled and didn't open properly. I water and fertilize regularly, and my other roses in similar light conditions were doing fine. Perhaps this is a rose for cooler climates, where it might perform better.	REPLY

Reply #1 of 5 posted 24 JUN 10 by HMF supporting member

Darrell

Reply #2 of 5 posted 13 JAN 11 by HMF supporting member

Chris

Reply #3 of 5 posted 13 JAN 11 by HMF supporting member

Margaret Furness

Reply #4 of 5 posted 4 APR 12 by MichaelG

Here in southern Appalachia we have mild, damp conditions that favor balling in roses, and I have discarded a number of varieties for that reason. I have not had this problem with Gruss an Aachen or Pink Gruss. I wonder if the problem described above is peculiar to Florida and similar climates. This is odd, because the Florida climate is not particularly bad for balling.

In my garden, these roses, on their own roots, and with 5 hours of sun, quickly grew to 3.5' x 3.5' with excellent repeat bloom. The plant habit is graceful and compact, requiring little pruning. They are susceptible to blackspot.

Reply #5 of 5 posted 26 NOV by gnabonnand

It’s very hot during the growing season here in Dallas, TX and Gruss an Aachen blooms most all the time. As much as any rose I’ve ever grown. For me, the fragrance is great too. Everything about this plant is graceful. Great rose for the garden, but the blooms don’t do well when cut and put in a vase, if that is something that is important to you.	REPLY

RoseQuietness most recent 7 SEP SHOW ALL

Initial post 15 JUL 07 by MichaelG

Reply #1 of 3 posted 18 JUL 07 by Seil

Reply #2 of 3 posted 16 APR 11 by Hardy

Here in the San Francisco Bay area, it doesn't do quite so well. Based on its reputation elsewhere, I wasn't expecting it to rust fairly badly (and even get a touch of PM) here, but it does. It's vigorous enough that it outgrows the diseases during most of the year, but in winter and early spring many HTs look healthier in this climate, and HTs don't do all that well here.

It's still a good rose in this area, and it's never going to die from its minor sicknesses, but don't expect it to be unsprayed perfection everywhere.

Reply #3 of 3 posted 7 SEP by HMF supporting member

Mich, Fremont, CA

Hi, I'm in Fremont, alkaline clay soil (due to originally was under ocean/sea bed with shells). I've been here for almost 20 years but originally from near Boston, acid soil (and MD also acid). I'm wondering if you have the same alkaline clay soil, and your review of Quietness' growth habits reflects this.

I've had a bear of time finding strongly scented roses (Not anise which I dislike) for CA. All my old favorites in the East coast either have No scent (Shocking Blue) or changed to very anise (Yves Piaget). So I've had to find new favorites, Sharia Asma #1, Elle, Oklahoma, ~Dee-lish (not quite as strong scent), etc.

I get my roses own root from Heirloom Roses mostly. But they seem to have no idea because they either don't grown them in the ground/native soil or they don't have alkaline clay soil where they are.

If you have the same soil, I would love to hear your thoughts/experience. I grow almost exclusively hybrid teas due to long bloom season, bloom size/shape, etc. (though I do have the occasional non-hybrid tea form like Sharifa Asma).

RoseBarcelona (hybrid tea, Kordes 1932) most recent 18 MAR 22 SHOW ALL

Initial post 25 NOV 14 by true-blue

Pétales de roses, the online shop of Chemins de la rose in France, say that their Francis Dubreuil is the real one and not Barcelona. Here is the link to their Francis Dubreuil page: http://www.petales-de-roses.com/rosiers-anciens/206-francis-dubreuil.html	REPLY

Reply #1 of 9 posted 11 MAY 15 by MichaelG

Reply #2 of 9 posted 11 MAY 15 by true-blue

Reply #3 of 9 posted 12 MAY 15 by Tessie

What is the provenance of the Barcelona at The Huntington? It is said by multiple people to be extremely fragrant. One of them was a staff member (Judy something I think) who makes rose desserts from some varieties with the best fragrance for that purpose, and Huntington's Barcelona was one. But since there are such questions with the identify of Francis Dubreuil, how certain is it that The Huntington has the real Barcelona???? Did they get it from Sangerhausen? Because if so, this from the reference section presents a problem:

"Rosenlexikon
Book (1936) Page(s) 52.

Barcelona (HT) Kordes 1932; (Sensation X Templar) X L. Charlemont; deep crimson, shaded velvety blackish red, very large, double, fine form, cupped, lasting, fragrance 6/10, floriferous, blooms continuosly with interruptions, elongated buds, long stems, upright, growth 7/10, 70cm. Sangerhausen"

Fragrance is only 6/10? What people are growing in the US now as Barcelona is a very, very fragrant rose. So is it really Barcelona? Did Sangerhausen evaluate the correct rose, or not, per above? Or maybe The Huntington got their plant direct from Kordes????

Reply #4 of 9 posted 12 MAY 15 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Reply #5 of 9 posted 12 MAY 15 by true-blue

Reply #6 of 9 posted 12 MAY 15 by Tessie

Yes, I've looked at both the notes and the Houzz thread. No provenance stated. Kim indicates he didn't check the records at the huntington, so he doesn't know the details on this rose. Although he mentioned a number of possible sources, we don't know from which one the Huntington acquired theirs. There are so many plants in commerce incorrectly identified as well as named varieties where there are multiple different roses being sold with the same name. And so much effort seems to be going into tracking down the real Francis Dubreuil, it seems reasonable to do a little verifying on Barcelona too.

Reply #7 of 9 posted 12 MAY 15 by true-blue

Reply #8 of 9 posted 30 MAY 18 by Aussie rose lover

Kim is quite correct in what he says about Francis Dubrueil and Barcelona. Francis has the much STR get scent of the two.It is as he says much like Oklaholma in style except that it is much darker bel g the shade of very dark amaranth and Black mulberry with blackberry overtones. Towards to middle and lower parts of the petals it lightens and becomes crimson scarlet and purple/pink.Even after 100 years it rarely exceeds more than a metre in height being very erect rather than loose and spreading. Barcelona is quite different for instance it is a shiny red with out being velvety like Francis D. IT IS ALSO more cupped once it has expands.

Reply #9 of 9 posted 18 MAR 22 by Ambroise Paré

I would not consider what n’ Chemins de la Rose ’ states, since they write about roses they have just acquired bare root one month earlier..	REPLY

RoseHeaven on Earth most recent 21 FEB 21 SHOW ALL

Initial post 1 MAY 15 by MichaelG

A possible mistake--the HMF description page says flowers are 1.75 inches, but flowers of my HoE (own root from Roses Unlimited) are consistently large. The globose buds are usually borne in triplets, opening a mild orange tone and fading to buff-apricot-pink pastel blends. They are intensely fragrant to my nose. The glossy foliage is susceptible to blackspot, as HMF says.

My plant flopped and flopped for two years under weight of the heavy blooms. Now, however, it has developed a sturdy framework of upright canes 4' tall. Some of the laterals droop in bloom, but I get flowers from the top of the plant to the ground, and the plant looks really good.

You could give this rose a tuteur or tripod 4-5' high. What I've done is stake each basal cane nearly upright when its flower buds start to swell. Leave the support for a couple of months. When deadheading, cut basals back to 1/4" diameter and shorten weak laterals.

It has been cane hardy to below zero.

(NC mountains)

Reply #1 of 2 posted 1 MAY 15 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Reply #2 of 2 posted 21 FEB 21 by peterdewolf

thats a very helpful report, thank you	REPLY