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2 AUG 07 by
TABRIS
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I am still evaluating own root vs grafted but I can say that own root can require a little more care at first until their root systems become established which takes 2-3 years. Then they are indistinguishable from grated roses. I like them because grafted roses are sold bare root in mail order catalogs and have a lower survival rate for me because I live in a dry climate. Own roots are shipped in small pots. I only buy grafted roses at nurseries in 5 gallon pots.
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#1 of 1 posted
30 MAY 09 by
Mylissa
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My last grafted rose, that I knew was grafted, was in a large pot and it was Joseph's Coat. It lasted one year and got a fungus in the graft... that was in Allen, Texas... I waived it's last rights and sent it straight to the brush pile, and then got hooked on own root. The temperate zone down there was 7 and I could grow all the own root early hybrid teas, and they were fab... up here it's too cold but I have other great choices...
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Hi! New here, from Central. Florida. Just planted 28 roses over a series of two mos, and getting very frustrated b/c I can't figure out what's wrong with a few of my roses. I know I made a mistake and overfertilized w/Bayer systemic, b/c I can't add and didn't use enough water! However, the roses seem to have adjusted after dropping some leaves, and seem healthy.
Biggest prob I have is w/Ebb Tide, a floribunda, and Granada, a HT. Esp Ebb Tide... Both were bushy and beautiful, but now leaves all over plant are turning orangey and dull, and will drop off easily if pulled. Same w/Granda to lesser degree. Doesn't seem to be affecting blooming, but don't want to lose all my leaves!!! Hubby was watering with sprinkler right before dark, but have put an end to that. Both have plenty of sun, good soil and drainage. Other roses next to these don't seem to be having probs, and these two roses have one rose between them that is doing great. All my roses are planted at least three feet apart, so aren't being crowded, and have good air circulation.
Any advice? Many, many thanks--these roses are a huge investment for me, but also one of my biggest sources of joy and stress relief!
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1 MAY 07 by
Wendy C
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Take a piece of white paper out into the garden and tap the leaves with it under them. It's early for spider mites, but you never know. If you get little black specks, it's spider mites. There are a number of products on the market for spider mites, you chose what you're comfortable with. Make sure you spray all of the roses though so they don't just move to another rose. Spider mites hate water. If you spray the underside of the plants with water at time of day when they will dry before night, that will help keep them at bay.
Downey mildew is also a suspect. You want a product with captan in it to control downey.
http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/3000/3013.html
It's not well known on roses, but it does happen. I had a problem with it a couple of years ago. Again spray all of the roses.
The south, Florida in particular, has problems with nematodes. I have absolutely no experience with this problem. You'd want to get in contact with your local Rose Society or Extention office to determine if this is the trouble.
Best of luck
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Wendy.........
This is good advice, but I have found that I can control spider mite infestations with washing the plant several days in a row. This breaks the breeding cycle. After the infestation is under control, just washing the plants when I water seems to be sufficient.
Smiles,
Lyn
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2 MAY 07 by
Darcytoo
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Thanks so much, both Wendy and Lyn. I sprayed w/a mixture of water, baking soda and Ivory dishwashing liquid that I read about on the site. So far, no response, but we'll see... If not, I'm going to try one or both of your remedies. I notice that the roses themselves also appeear washed out, color-wise, and the new growth appears somewhat discolored/distorted. It's driving me nuts, since I've never seen something like this before!!! I used to grow roses in Dallas, and have had just about every kind of problem... (Seems like every new rose I plant gets some yellow leaves, which I guess is it adjusting to transplanting. However, I always seem to get blackspot, no mater what, even though I water via soakers, and have taped up any holes that sprung and were spraying the roses from below... I think it's all the dew on the roses that forms overnight here in FL...)
Many, many thanks--smiles to both of you and your gardens!!!
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Darcy.........
You need to break the breeding cycle of spider mites to regain control of the impact of the infestation. The only way I know beyond using major chemicals is to wash the plant daily for several days in a row. The fact that you are watering with soakers leads me to believe that washing undersides of the leaves will be an important maintenace task in your garden. They go hand-in-hand.
However, that may be only one of the problems you are experiencing. Wendy's mention of the nematode problems in Florida soil is something you really need to learn about. So far, I have heard about this from many people growing roses in Florida. I do know that rose fields in Texas were treated with tilling in pine bark to fight the root nematode problem there and, from what I have read, it worked. I don't have that problem here in my garden, so I cannot even begin to give you good information. As Wendy suggested, it's best to contact local sources for information about this issue.
Good luck with your roses.
Smiles,
Lyn
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12 MAY 07 by
Darcytoo
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Thanks so much, Wendy and Lyn! Yes, I'm sure it's spider mites, since I used the paper and saw some small ones and bigger ones. Also, I have small webs every morning. I have sprayed with a mixture of water, baking soda and dishwashing liquid, and the yellowing leaves have diminished somewhat. I keep pulling off the rusty yellow leaves and putting them in the trash, and am getting lots of new growth and flowers. So, I'll keep it up. Lyn, when you say wash the leaves, what do you use?
I have soakers in the back, but in the front, I occasionally use sprinklers for a good soaking, making sure the leaves have enough time to dry, or else use deep watering via hose at the roots, making sure not to get the leaves. It's strange that three of the six roses in front seem to be having the probs, but the other three are fine. Two are floribundas, and one HT. Ebb Tide got it the worst and last, and Granada the worst first and Shocking Blue somewhat. My Knock Outs are fine, of course. Of course, I always seem to get blackspot, and spray accordingly. Is there a cheap way to combat this via homemade solution?
Doing some research, I've found that when it's hot and dry, spider mites love it. We've had very little rain... I researched nematodes, but luckily, doesn't seem to be the case. I purchased plants w/Fortuniata rootstock, which is esp for preventing nematodes.
Thanks again, so much!
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12 MAY 07 by
Wendy C
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I'm glad it was spider mites and not something else. They're a pain, but managable. If you blast the under sides of your leaves with water, as Lyn suggested, for several days in a row and then do so a couple times a week you should be able to keep the mites in check.
I've heard that corn meal spread around the roses works well for black spot control. In FL the humidity makes that a constant battle as well, so I wouldn't take as something you are doing wrong.
Regards
Wendy
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Darcy........
What do I use ? A very strong spray of plain water. If you wash them off, they don't breed. I know it sounds simplistic, but it has always worked in my garden as long as I washed them several days in a row. Then I washed them once or twice a week throughout the season and never had a serious infestation. That's my experience in my garden.
As you can see from Wendy's post, we seem to approach spider mite infestations the same way.
You are doing a lot of things right. Healthy plants are less susceptible to disease and insect damage.
Smiles,
Lyn
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#8 of 10 posted
1 JUN 07 by
TABRIS
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I just thought I would share my experiences with spider mites. I only get them with the few roses I have that are watered with soaker hoses. Most of my roses are watered overhead with an automatic sprinkler system and dont get them. The reason I think, is that the overhead water is blasting under the leaves too and keeping them under control. I do realize that conventional wisdom says "Never overhead water roses or that will give them fungal disease" but honestly I have been doing this for 8 years and I only get a little powdery mildew on them in the fall, after I have stopped irrigation. I have over 60 rosebushes and they are healthy except for aphids in the spring.
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Thanks for the insight Tabris !
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#10 of 10 posted
2 JUN 07 by
Darcytoo
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Thanks, Tabris! It's funny, I have some roses on soakers, but the ones that got the mites aren't b/c I'd have to run a hose across my walkway to make it work. . Sound like you know what works for your roses, esp if you have 60 and have been doing that for 8 yrs! I still have so much to learn...
The spider mite prone roses are now doing much better after I cut them back severly. I am continuing to keep an eye open.... I still think it's the hot weather/no rain that we've been having here in Central FL. We've recently started to get some rain, so that, combined w/previous spraying, seemed to work. Now, of course, we have the wonderful problem of black spot, but that seems to be primarily w/a few roses, Disneyland is the absolute worst... If I look at it, it gets black spot. I just keep pulling off the diseased leaves and spraying occasionally.
THANKS to everyone that has helped me out with my original questions! I guess we all love tending to our beauties, although I have to say some are more my faves than others. Tuscan Sun is my absolute love--no problems, and bushy and sprouting new leaves from the botton. Just wish it had more scent...
Anyone else have an absolute favorite rose?
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