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A very healthy and reliable plant - nearly as tough as brambles, this rose has wonderful ordered prismatic symmetry to its large magenta red blooms and a warm, sort of redcurrant fragrance that can waft around the garden and that was my single plant in a plastic 30cm tub! A bed of three or more established in the ground would scent the garden excellently. In my opinion the smell is much better and more pronounced than the others in this series by Noack including the purple one called 'Laudatio', 'Purple Voluptia', or, in the UK 'Timeless Purple' which wasn't released until 8 years after breeding. 'Charisma'/'Crazy Pink Voluptia' was released earlier and only 2 years after it was bred - it's a superior rose.
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I got 'Eau De Parfum Bling' (what an atrociously stupid name...) last year. Apparently named Showpiece Lipstick in Australia (odd name, but at least more palatable). I wish I knew the difference between this rose and 'Charisma'. Its not apparent by the patent. I know others in the 'Eau De Parfum' descend from 'Charisma', 'Westzeit', and some other un-named semi-double light red type. However, Bling, which looks similar to Charisma in the photos is unclear in the patent. I had wonder if it was a sister they rebranded due to the success, if it was bred from it, or what. Based on the photos, what differences are apparent? Mine (own-root) is not fully mature yet.
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Hi Michael !
Going by the breeder's code for 'E.d.P. Bling' NOA16079 and Charisma's NOA16071 and the description with the patents 'E.d.p. Bling' is a very closely related plant which was probably more suited for better performance in the USA having resulted from the same crossing in 2007 (a sister plant as you said). Only Noack can answer this.
Certainly the flowers look very similar from the HMF photos but last year my 'Timeless Charisma' (UK) NOA16071 flowers (from a grafted plant bought in a pot 2 years before) were neatly stuffed with many smallish petals arrayed in such symmetry as to appear artificial. I'm not sure 'Eau d.P. Bling' has quite as many petals but I could be wrong. My 'Timeless Charisma' flowers grow in clusters like on your plant.
If your (own root) plant is very similar to my (grafted) plant then you're in for a real treat fragrance wise. Mine wafted around the garden and had a 'warmer' more pleasing smell than 'Fragrant Cloud' and I would say more noticable and fruitier than the Hybrid Tea 'Birthday Boy' which were among others I was growing in 2024.
Would you like to comment on the fragrance of your 'Eau d. P. Bling' ?
So for the general interest of the readers, the following are the five in this series by Noack:
1) 'Charisma' (Germany released 2010) = 'Timeless Charisma' (UK) = 'Showpiece Lipstick' (Australia). ~ 'Eau de Parfum Bling' (USA but breeder codes differ by just the end digit)
2) 'Comeback' (Germany released 2016) = 'Timeless Pink' (UK) = 'Showpiece Blush' (Australia) = 'Eau de Parfum Blush' (USA)
3) 'Laudatio' (Germany released 2016) = 'Timeless Purple (UK) = 'Showpiece Berry' (Australia) ~ 'Eau de Parfum Berry' (USA released 2023 but breeder code differs completely and plant can get taller - up to 120cm)
4) 'Audienz' (Germany released 2016) = Timeless Cream' (UK) = 'Showpiece Champagne' (Australia) = 'Eau de Parfum Bubbly' (USA released 2024)
5) 'Showpiece Orange' (Australia 2024 - but crossed in Germany 2013). A shrub with smaller, strongly fragrant gold/orange flowers in clusters
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That's a great point about the digits.
There is also Eau de Parfum Berry Rose. No idea where that fits in. Eau de Parfum Bubbly is the same as Showpiece Champagne. Some are patented in Canada, but I don't know why.
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I think that all the 'Eau de Parfum's by Noack must be the names they go by in the USA so I hope you don't mind my having added the two you mentioned to the ends of my list. I also wonder why some are patented in Canada?
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#5 of 7 posted
3 days ago by
 jedmar
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Charisma and Showpiece Lipstick have different breeder codes.
The same with Timeless Purople and Eau de Parfum Berry.
Even if these are quite similar, we need to list them separately.
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Correct. I took the line items to mean same market rather than all identical roses, but I can see how that could confuse/conflate new readers. I blame Noack for not being clear with these similar introduction concepts.
Christensen did something similar in the 90s. He (they, really) would send a sister of the same cross to North America and Australia, and sometimes Europe. Its how I knew 'Amazon' is a sister to 'Brass Band'. It was detailed in a presentation when I was a teenager in a slide show at a meeting from slides made by the ARS and Portland Rose Society. 'Amazon' was sent to AUS, and 'Brass Band' was sent to North America. There are a litter of yellow roses he made that followed the same pattern. It makes things confusing, but on the other hand, breeders and producers have to sell to diverse markets, so it is what it is.
Producers could be more clear with all of these things, but I don't see a trend of it improving. In fact, I think its getting worse because many of them are so wary of sharing information.
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How confident are you that 'Amazon' has the same parentage as 'Brass Band'? Should that information be added to the page for 'Amazon', maybe something like--Rumor has it etc.?
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There are a few things about 'Purity' wich don't quite jell.
* The breeder: Hoopes – or Farrell?
* The date bred. At the moment 1917 is shown.
* It was mentioned in the 1919 ref that it was from the same hip as 'Christine Wright', and the date of that rose is 1909.
* There are two different seed parents listed.
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"Early hybridization [for the firm] directed by Hoopes, effected by James A. Farrell" (Roll-Call, by Brent C. Dickerson, 2nd edition, 2024, entry for Hoopes, Bro. & Thomas, p. 226).
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#2 of 2 posted
today by
jedmar
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today by
Usami
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Blue for You X Stormy Weather, it was only a matter of time...
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I received this rose as an incorrectly labeled plant from Home Depot via the National Plant Network. One of the most distinctive features is the foliage. The leaves are super stiff, toothed, and spined along the edge of the leaf. Perhaps this characteristic should be mentioned? I did ask someone with this rose who confirmed the features of the leaves that I noticed.
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That's a lucky mistake. Despite its odd growth habit, its one of the Brownell greats. This one, like 'Lafter', grow a lot like Austin shrubs than they do HTs. I dont find this a fault, rather its just easier to ignore the ARS classification lol.
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I think I am really starting to love this rose. It was supposed to be Curly Pink, but I can get that elsewhere. Thanks for your comment!
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#3 of 4 posted
yesterday by
a_carl76
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I am extremely jealous of your good fortune - I have been trying to find another copy of this rose for a few years. My very first copy came to me the exact same way it came to you - supposed to be Curly Pink but was in actuality Orange Ruffels. I got that version through Interstate Nurseries which was part of the Directgardening.com family - always cheap plants - both in price and quality and also, one was never very sure if what they ordered is what they would get. Back then, I was so young and green that I really thought it was Curly Pink - until I got the real Curly Pink from Vintage Gardens. I also got an amazing own root version of Orange Ruffels from Vintage gardens which did just as well as the grafted version. Sadly I lost the original copy and the Vintage copy when I moved. I did get another version from Rose Petal Nursery but it was a very small copy and it struggled for a few years until succumbing to my infestation of Canadian Thistles in 2023. I have not been able to find it again and will always be on the hunt for this one until I get it again.
I hope you cherish and take care of this one (not that it needs it). And hopefully you can share cuttings of it for those of us desperately looking for it again.
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I think I ended up with 2 as it was a 2 for 1 deal. Once spring comes maybe we can trade!
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