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'Madame Alice Garnier' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 81-419
most recent 6 MAY 23 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 2 NOV 14 by Patricia Routley
Could we have input from the people who grow 'Mme. Alice Garnier'. Is it once blooming, (as the main page says), or continuous (as per the 2003 references)?

The bloom size would also be helpful. The 2003 ref says 3-4cm. Another 2003 says 4-5cm. And 1986 - 5cm.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 27 FEB 16 by alex.m.
In my garden its continuous flowering and the flowersize is 5cm.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 27 FEB 16 by Patricia Routley
Thank you Alex.m. My mind is agog at a continuous flowering wich.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 6 MAY 23 by Hamanasu
I have just ordered this. A half barrel in my container garden just became vacant (courtesy of a prunus Hokusai that was growing too large for its own good, or mine, or the roses') and have been spending the last few days in a frenzy of indecision about which climbing or small rambling rose to put in it. Pax? (What if I hate it when the stamens brown?) Mrs Herbert Stevens, Mrs Sam McGredy? (If only they didn't grow so large). Narrow Water? (Will I shudder at clouds of pink?). Moschata? (But years ago it refused to bloom for me...) Then, on the strength of GST's and CQ-R's descriptions of the scent (respectively, 'extremely fragrant of green apples' and 'delicious scent of ripe peaches') I quickly ordered the last plant of Mme Alice Garnier Trevor White had for sale this season.
Trevor White says it is repeat flowering, and so does Roseland House Garden and Nursery (they seem the only nurseries still to carry it in Britain); and GST says of the group of roses in which he includes Mme Alice Garnier (namely, 'Ramblers and climbers derived from the musk rose or Synstylae section intermarried with the offspring of the China and tea roses'): 'They flower mainly at midsummer, but most of them produce odd blooms until the autumn, especially if not parched or starved; in fact, a thorough soak after flowering will often start them into bud again.' From this, I deduce that Mme Alice Garnier may be a repeat or continuous bloomer in cool and wet climates such as England but perhaps not in continental or Mediterranean conditions. In support of that hypothesis, the Italian nurseries that sell this variety say it is once flowering in summer.
I will provide an update in the next few months about re-bloom or lack thereof of my plant in its first season in my garden (or rather in its half-barrel)...
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 6 MAY 23 by jedmar
We had blooms in Switzerland in August/September.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 6 MAY 23 by Hamanasu
That's great. I hope I'll be able to report the same.
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Discussion id : 44-849
most recent 2 DEC 20 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 18 MAY 10 by Patricia Routley
Botanica’s Roses have listed “Brownlow Hill Rambler” as a synonym of ‘Mme. Alice Garnier’ 1906. Does anyone know where the rose “Brownlow Hill Rambler” came from?
Did it come from Alexander Macleay’s property Brownlow Hill, in Camden’s (NSW) Cow Pastures? This property was described in 1836 described by James Backhouse in A Narrative of a Visit to the Australian Colonies in 1836.

“In clearing the land about the tasteful, genteel, cottage, and garden at Brownlowe Hill, more care has been taken not to destroy its beauty, by cutting down the trees indiscriminately, than is usual in these Colonies; where trees, being the encumbrance of the land, are generally cut away unsparingly… they have a Garden, producing Oranges, Apples, Loquats, Pears, Plums, Cherries, Figs, Mulberries, Medlars, Raspberries, Strawberries, and Gooseberries, and where Roses are in great profusion”.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 18 MAY 10 by Margaret Furness
I have a vague memory (one of so many) that it did indeed come from Brownlow Hill, but the current caretakers or owners didn't want it named after the property.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 18 MAY 10 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Margaret. I understood that Sue Kingsford took cuttings of a rose from Brownlow Hill and shared them around. I believe the nursery, Honeysuckle Cottage, later sold it under the name of 'Alice Garnier' after the Brownlow Hill people objected to the use of the Brownlow name.

I am sure the rose that you and I have is not the small flowered 'Mme. Alice Garnier'.
It may be the rose found at Brownlow Hill, but just what is the foundling exactly? Could it be 'Leontine Gervais?
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 2 DEC 20 by Margaret Furness
I see that you now think the "Brownlow Hill rambler" is Edmond Proust.
I don't know whether there is a true Mme Alice Garnier still in Australia, but am following up one possibility.
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Discussion id : 45-959
most recent 16 JUN 10 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 16 JUN 10 by Patricia Routley
Is it possible to take "Brownlow Hill Rambler" out of the 'Mme. Alice Garnier' file and put it into the 'Leontine Gervais' file? It is misleading where it is and the rose cannot be 'Mme. Alice Garnier' because of the flower size and its colour. I am fairly certain that it may be 'Leontine Gervais'. (Refer my comment and photos in the 'Leontine Gervais' file.)
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