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fair-pol from Ralph Moore is 'Fairy Moss' X polyantha nana. Believed to be tetraploid. Habit of a polyantha nana.
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Tetraploid? Seems unlikely.
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It's listed as diploid in the paper 'UNDERSTANDING AND MANIPULATING POLYPLOIDY IN GARDEN ROSES'
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Charles Quest-Ritson in Climbing Roses of the World, p 88, gives a parentage of "'William Allen Richardson' X 'Mme Pierre Guillot'".
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Thank you, Fred.
Smiles,
Lyn
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Where is this parentage attested in contemporary records? I don't find it anywhere.
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Re. Oakington Ruby. Saying it was bred in UK (1933) by C R Bloom is misleading. It was found by Bloom in a garden in Oakington and was said to have come earlier from the Cathedral garden of Ely. We don't know that it was bred in the UK. It was reintroduced by Bloom in 1933. It may be one of the early 19th Century Fairy Chinas.
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I'm with Fred on this. I believe this is one of the Victorian Lawrenciana dwarf Chinas. If you read Margaret Pinney's 1964 book "The Miniature Rose Book", she mentions several of the very old dwarf China miniatures, and 'Oakington Ruby' fits the style to a T.
All documentation I have found states that it was FOUND, not BRED by C. R. Bloom and came from the garden of Ely Cathedral. I'm certain this is one of the dwarf Chinas from the 1800's.
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We have found a miniature china that looks like Paul Bardon's photo. Paul does your flowers smell like raspberry lifesavers from years ago?
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I don't know what Raspberry Lifesavers smelled like, but this dwarf China definitely has a fruity smell that could be thought of as "Raspberry-like". But I have found several of these dwarf Chinas share the same fragrance traits. What is the color of your plant like? Can you share a photo?
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Paul I put a couple of photos of our rose with a question on Oakington Ruby page.
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I think you can be pretty certain that is 'Oakington Ruby'. Nice find!
Were you able to take cuttings? You should grow it for yourself, its an excellent rose for warm climates.
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Paul, why do you think your 7.5 foot rose is the dwarf 12 inch “Oakington Ruby”?
There is a HelpMeFind page for Ozoldroser’s foundling - "Ebenezer Cemetery Miniature China"
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The mini-China in SA (three sources) hasn't reached the height of Paul's splendid "Oakington Ruby". The plants in the Barossa Valley could be restricted by low rainfall, but the Hahndorf plants (if they are old, which I'm assuming) should get enough rain. About 25" / year, 635mm. Paul, do you think your plant could be a climber?
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Because it was sold to me as 'Oakington Ruby' by Ralph Moore twenty years ago - the same rose he used in his breeding work. I have absolutely no doubt about its identity.
It is totally within this variety's capability to build into a large specimen if allowed to, and protected in the way mine has been for these many years (sheltered in a semi-open greenhouse, in a mild climate). Many China types, under favorable conditions, can far exceed their stated sizes if kept in this manner.
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Perhaps we should all erect semi-open greenhouses.
However, I don’t think this height is the norm for “Oakington Ruby”. What height is the norm in U.S. and European gardens?
In Australia Pat toolan showed me the “Habermann Cemetery Miniature China” in 2003 where the plant was 18” x 18”.
She sent me cuttings of the “Ebenezer Cemetery. Miniature China” in 2004 and here it died in the soil, and I now grow two plants in pots to about 12 inches.
In 2012 the Heritage Roses pre-conference tour visited Ebenezer and we saw the “Ebenezer Cemetery. Miniature China” in situ and there it was 36” x 36”. Photos of this plant are in the foundling file with the person in blue attire.
Pat and Margaret, would you like me to merge the Australian foundlings with “Oakington Ruby”? I think they are all the same.
Then we can progress further to identifying what “Oakington Ruby” is.
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Paul I have just uploaded two photos to the "Habermann Cemetery Miniature China" page, Please check details against "Oakington Ruby".
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Hi Pat (I assume this is Pat I am speaking to). I reviewed your new photos, and yes - I am pretty certain that is the same rose we grow here in the USA as 'Oakington Ruby', which was originally distributed here by Ralph Moore through Sequoia Nursery.
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The Huntington received this rose in 7/74 from Carl Cato, of Lynchburg, VA under the collection name "Sublette Noisette", collected in the Thornrose Cemetery.
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Eleven years later……I have added Carl Cato’s study name to this file. Thank you Fred, we get there in the end.
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