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I bought some roses that are supposed to be climbers. They came basically as some roots with a couple of large stems, wrapped into a plastic bag with planting instructions. I planted them against a picket fence about a month ago, following the directions to a "T", yet nothing is happening. Nothing is growing or changing. Did I get duds? Can anyone offer suggestions? Should I have trimmed the stems? Is the waxy overcoat impeding growth? I have no idea..this is my first experiene with trying to grow roses.
Thank you!
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I have the exact same problem with the rose bush I bought... the waxy overcoat? The packaging said it was dormant, but when will it bloom? or move? anything? hahaha Hopefully someone will answer us. Good Luck!!
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Billie & Jeannette...........
Roses are one of the best teachers of patience I have ever known. Climbers really take about three years to come into their own. You will still get blooms each year, but by the third year, the plant should have put on enough foliage to really support more bloom. It takes about thirty-five perfect leaves to support a bloom.
This type of rose "knows" it is going to be a big rose, so in the first year, it concentrates on putting all of its growth energy into growing a large root base to support the coming top growth. The second, or sometimes third year, the plant is still quite young and you can start training it to grow in the manner you had in mind when you purchased the rose. The third year the training continues, but the rose should have put on enough top growth to really begin putting on a show. It just takes time.
There are other factors that will affect the performance of your rose: where you planted it, how you feed and water it and more.
Good luck with your roses.
Smiles,
Lyn,
helpmefind.com
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Oops! I should have read your posts a little more carefully. Personally, I believe that the waxy coat does slow down a rose getting started in the garden. It's purpose is to keep the canes from dehydrating which is important, but I think it makes it harder for the plant to breathe.
You can protect the canes from dehydrating by mounding the rose with mulch when you plant it and gradually remove it as the plant begins to show top growth so you don't need to buy roses with this kind of coating. The butchered root ball is inefficient and cannot provice enough water to the top growth. I can't tell you how to remove the waxy coating because I have never purchased a rose that way, but I can suggest that you water every day until you do see new top growth.
You should be seeing some growth within six weeks of planting. However, I do not have enough information about what planting zone your garden is located in. When I lived in southern California, I would have already had the first flush on all of my roses. Now that I live in northern California, my roses are just beginning to form their first buds. Clearly, location as a lot to do with when a rose will break dormancy.
Smiles,
Lyn
helpmefind.com
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#4 of 18 posted
4 MAY 05 by
Billie
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HI Lyn!
Thanks for your advice. I live in PA, suburbs of Philadelphia, so that is my region.
It has been almost 2 months, and still nothing. Everything else in my garden is blooming beautifully, but I had my heart set on these roses. 1) they'd be gorgeous against the white picket fence 2) they'd keep thoses pesky neighbor boys from breaking said fence by constantly climbing over it evertime they lose their ball, instead of just using the gate!
Still watering and ever hopeful,
Billie
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Billie.......
My best guess is that it is still too cold in your area for the rose to break dormancy. Roses need heat to signal them that it is safe to break dormancy and put out top growth because one of the three natural dangers to a rose is frost. Frost/cold will cause the canes to die back, sometimes all the way to the ground. When it is warm enough in your area, the plant will break dormancy and start putting out top growth, but the roots will continue to grow even when the ground is frozen.
Good luck with your roses.
Smiles,
Lyn,
helpmefind.com
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#9 of 18 posted
5 MAY 05 by
Billie
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Thanks again Lyn! Its been unseasonably warm here since the beginning of April, but I suppose not warm enough. I'll just keep (impatiently) waiting.
Would liquid miracle grow for roses be inappropriate? Or would it wake these sleeping beauties up? I used the shaky feeding stuff for roses already....
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Billie........
Feeding your new rose before it shows any new top growth would be a major mistake. Right now, the rose is growing feeder roots. They are very tiny and easily injured or burned. All fertilizers at this time have the potential to burn these tiny little roots and that would set your rose back instead of promoting growth. The very best fertilizer right now is water. It's important that the soil around the root ball is moist. You don't want it to dry out as that is another way to damage the new feeder roots.
Packaged roses have had their roots drastically cut back to fit into the packaging. This causes stress to the plant so everything is slower while it recovers. All you can do is really is give it time to get it's feet under it and start putting on top growth. The rose may not be suited to your garden, but it's young and needs to get settled in before you make that decision.
Good luck with that rose !
Smiles,
Lyn,
helpmefind.com
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Hi Lyn
Thanks for responding, I'm in Brooklyn, NY and it has been pretty chilly for May, also I only planted them about 3 weeks ago, so I'll wait the six weeks and pray. But did you say three years? WOOO That old lady at the counter said I'd have roses by Memorial Day. I'm sending a picture so don't laugh............ Wish me luck. hahahaha
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Jeannette........
Yes, three years is the rule of thumb for climbing roses. Don't be so hard on the lady who sold you the rose. Most people working in nurseries, unless they are specialty rose nurseries, do not have the training or experience to provide sufficient information about roses to their customers. You may have some blooms by Memorial Day, but the rose will be young. In three years, you'll probably gasp at the beauty of your climbing rose.
I wish you the best of luck with your roses !
Smiles,
Lyn,
helpmefind.com
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Thanks again - your advice and input has calmed my nerves... It's great to have help and questions answered right at your finger tips...I'll spread the word... Have a great summer....
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#10 of 18 posted
5 MAY 05 by
Anonymous-97727
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Thanks for all the helpful info in this thread. It is nice to know that the climbing roses we planted last year and this year are "doing their thing" and taking time/energy to establish a strong foundation before putting out a lot of blooms. (Isn't it interesting that we should be so impatient to experience the rose's beauty without appreciating its need to establish that foundation first!? Smile... )
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#12 of 18 posted
17 JUN 05 by
Anonymous-97891
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Thanks for a great thread. I too planted some climbing roses last month. They weren't in great shape, but I got them on clearance on I figured that I could save at least half of them. The first couple of weeks everything seemed fine, stems were turning a brighter green and the very beginnings of new growth were visible, but in the last two weeks the plants have been strugglilng. They have been turning black at the ends of the stems and rather quickly the black spreads back to the bud union. What can I do?
I'm inlcuding some before and after pictures of Cl America.
Thanks in advance for advice.
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#13 of 18 posted
17 JUN 05 by
Wendy C
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If you look at the very top of the green cane you can see where the boyrtis (sp?) or canker was already present when you planted the rose. When you find spots like this, prune a quarter to one half inch below the infection. And clean your pruners with bleach. You can spread this through the rose garden if not careful.
This rose may through up a basil break for you. Gently move the soil and prune that black cane out. Keep watering and see what happens.
Bargain, body bag roses are a gamble. Sometimes you hit it big, mostly you'll find substandard performance, mislabled plants and Rose Mosaic Virus. I gambled last year and 6 were mislabled, four more have RMV...one so bad it is unbelievable.
I hope your Climbing America comes around. It is one of my 'hit it big' bagged roses from last year, and I adore it.
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#15 of 18 posted
18 JUN 05 by
Terre
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This looks like canker, a form of rose 'cancer' and is an increasingly common disease due to the extremely contagious nature of the disease. It is showing up in all sorts of distribution sites for roses. A large wholesale grower can spread it through an entire customer base of retail nurseries (and their customers) in a season. It is deadly and kills major canes rapidly. It is spread primarily by infected pruners (the new owners' or the original suppliers'). There are organic answers but the disease spreads too rapidly to risk it. I use Agomycin on it and have had very good success which is vital in a collection of some 6-800 roses (we lost count). Terre
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#16 of 18 posted
18 JUN 05 by
Anonymous-97891
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Thank you so much for the great advice. I had been washing the pruners in alcohol, but maybe bleach will be better to use.
Being so new to this, I figured I'd learn more trying to save several cheap roses than by trying not to kill one expensive rose. I'm glad you mentioned the incorrect labels, as I was wondering why the climbing peace I planted last year looks more like a yallow rosette than the pictures I've seen of Peace! Maybe I'll have some more surprises in store for me if I can keep these plants alive long enough to bloom.
Thanks again.
Simone
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#17 of 18 posted
18 JUN 05 by
Wendy C
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You're welcome Simone.
It's harder to kill an expensive, healthy rose than to keep a cheap, sick rose alive. If you can pull these through you'll have something to brag about.
Roses are tougher than most people give them credit for. Enjoy your new hobby, growing roses is a great adventure. smile
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#18 of 18 posted
2 AUG 05 by
patricia
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Sorry your 'body bag' roses were a bad experience. I bought about a dozen of these this spring, and I will never, ever again do this. The waxed canes just could not come to life on most of the roses. Two of them did spring to life, a very hardy cultivar called Belinda's dream. The rest have already been replaced by potted roses...so much for saving money, I ended up buying the same rose twice! I wonder if there is a way to remove the wax coating?
Patricia
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#14 of 18 posted
18 JUN 05 by
 RoseBlush
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This post was originally posted by Wendy C, but seemed to have been dropped from the thread.
Smiles,
Lyn,
helpmefind.com
If you look at the very top of the green cane you can see where the boyrtis (sp?) or canker was already present when you planted the rose. When you find spots like this, prune a quarter to one half inch below the infection. And clean your pruners with bleach. You can spread this through the rose garden if not careful.
This rose may through up a basil break for you. Gently move the soil and prune that black cane out. Keep watering and see what happens.
Bargain, body bag roses are a gamble. Sometimes you hit it big, mostly you'll find substandard performance, mislabled plants and Rose Mosaic Virus. I gambled last year and 6 were mislabled, four more have RMV...one so bad it is unbelievable.
I hope your Climbing America comes around. It is one of my 'hit it big' bagged roses from last year, and I adore it.
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