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Discussion id : 66-119
most recent 25 JUN 13 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 29 JUL 12 by Cà Berta
Apparently the idea that Carbonara is a hybrid semper virens was firstly suggested by Boitard in Manuel Complete de l’Amateur des Roses. Although his book is a plagiarism of Prévost's "Catalogue descriptif" of 1829, in this case the plagiarism was also badly done! In fact Prévost lists Carbonara in “Septième Section: Hybride fleurissant deux fois par an” and not in “Sixième Section: Hybrides du R. Semper virens. Rameaux sarmenteux, glanduleux. Styles réunis. Plusieurs floraisons successive chaque année” where he lists only 836. Noisette a Grandes Fleurs, L. N. (see pages 213-214)
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 25 JUN 13 by andrewandsally
There is also a Rosa carbonara listed by Wilhelm Keller in his 1828 catalogue (p. 273 of Anallen der Blumisterei) where it is described as "Whitish, small, semi-double" and classified as a Noisette.
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Discussion id : 71-510
most recent 12 MAY 13 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 9 MAY 13 by Cà Berta
The 1830 reference (Catalogo Prudente Besson) quotes a “Carbonara, aigle noir” at pag 31 among the “Rosiers a feuilles caduques fleurissant une seule fois l’an.” and not among the Rosier Noisette (page 29). Again it looks as if in Italy, at that time, another Carbonara, besides the noisette, existed and it was a synonym of Aigle noir. It might be the semi-double, velvety purple rose depicted as n. 2 in the photo (capture: R: ORTENSE. Carbonara) .
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 12 MAY 13 by jedmar
We have added 'Carbonara' as a synonym of 'Aigle noir' and moved the Italian references of a dark purple rose to this listing.
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Discussion id : 71-193
most recent 24 APR 13 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 24 APR 13 by Cà Berta
The 1849 reference (Catalogo Generale Burdin) describes Carbonara as a velvet dark purple rose and lists it at page 48 and not among the Rosier Noisette (page 51). Thus it looks as if in Italy, at that time, another Carbonara, besides the noisette, existed.
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