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Discussion id : 87-769
most recent 21 FEB 21 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 10 SEP 15 by Patricia Routley
HelpMeFind has two roses:

Carmoisine. LAPmiravi 1982. red HT. Louis Laperierre (who bred roses from circa 1950-1998)
Carmosine. LAPnev 1995. red HT. Robert Laperierre (who bred roses from circa 1992-2015)
This last rose. LAPnev apparently was in the Monza 2001 trials.

They almost sound as if they could be the same rose? Almost the same name, same class, same colour, same family of breeders.
Can anybody throw any light on these two roses? Or is anybody in touch with Robert Laperierre who may be able to help?
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 20 FEB 21 by flodur
Hi Patricia, The right name is 'Carmosine' (Lapmiravi), bred (1st sold) 1982, see catalogue 1982 p. 13. It was sold until 1989. The 2 other names (Carmoisine and Carmousine) cannot be found in any catalogue of Laperrière. If LAPnev was in the trial of Monza, it didn't enter the market. 'Carmousine' (probably misspelled) can still be found in India. I have now put all Laperrière catalogues online: roses.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Rosenkataloge#L_fr
Regards Rudolf
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 20 FEB 21 by jedmar
Patricia, these two are not the same rose. If there are two distinct breeder codes, they are different. There is also more than a decade between the two. A typical case of recycling of market names.See Kordes for example, who recycle names quite frequently.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 20 FEB 21 by flodur
That may be, but they never marketed the rose with the code LAPnev or the recycled name! Just look into their catalogues!
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 21 FEB 21 by jedmar
Possible, but that is not relevant for a listing in HMF. We have many roses in our data base which were never commercialized.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 21 FEB 21 by flodur
But than you should only list it under the code LAPnev and not with a name that never existed!
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