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'Baronesse ®' rose Reviews & Comments
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´Baronesse´:
sport of ´Mariatheresia´
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Thank you for the information, but do you have a reference we can use to document the lineage ?
Smiles,
Lyn
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Hello Liz,
I am a licensee of Rosen Tantau, every year I go to the field of this company in search of new varieties. Likewise, in 2007. Before the variety "Baroness" was the info:
"Baronesse (Mariatheresia - Sport)" - See pictures
2012, I had this variety in a pot. And I found a pale pink flowers on the pink ´Baronesse´:
See pictures.
A Sport? No, it's the mother plant: ´Mariatheresia´.
Other references I have not.
Perhaps it is sufficient?
Sincerely yours
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Hi Hortz...
Yes, this is information ! Thank you for getting back to me.
On HMF we treat sports as separate plants and give them their own rose page with their own rose name.
Have you named your sport ? Will it be introduced into commerce after it has been tested by Tantau ?
What I think is best to do is to give your rose a unique name, set up the rose page and list you as the "discover, of the rose. We can listed it as "Pending Introduction", if it is not already in commerce.
You can send me a PM with as much information about the plant characteristics as possible
and we can move any photos to the new rose page as the sport is different from the Evers rose. If, after testing, the rose is introduced, we can up date the new rose page with that information. This time we can also list the lineage. Thank you ..... I just happen to be a lineage nut.
Please let me know how you wish to proceed.
Smiles,
Lyn
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Hi Liz,
(my name is "Horst", not "Hortz" - smile!)
'Baroness' is a sport of 'Mariatheresa'! Tantau has the licenses of these roses. The names are from Tantau. I just wanted to show, 'Baroness' is a sport of 'Maria Theresa'. (How 'Winchester Cathedral' of 'Mary Rose' or 'Burgundy Ice' from 'Iceberg' (= 'Schneewittchen', Kordes 1958) ...)
(In my case is 'Baroness' fallen back into the mother plant ... that's all!. But a good proof of "parentage" ...)
Smile
Horst
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Dear Horst,
Did you ever have a chance to see striped blooms on your Baronesse?
Mine almost always have stripes. Unfortunately, I don't have many pictures of this rose, just posted one today and you could see white stripes.
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Dear Amelia,
Sorry for the delay, we are now just back from a trip abroad.
Striped flowers I had not at that sort. But another member told me about it too. Your photo shows it well.
In my experience these sports often show this "back to the mother." "Winchester Cathedreal" - "Mary Rose", "Burgundy Ice" - "Iceberg" ("Schneewitchen") and many others.
If you still can make more photos available at HMF, it would be good. Make those photos more clearly the origin of the variety.
Greetings
Horst
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#7 of 8 posted
6 FEB 13 by
csb
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Hello,
I have 3 plants of Baronesse buy directly from Tantau and all 3 have the white stripes.
Cris
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#8 of 8 posted
8 SEP 19 by
 jedmar
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One proof that 'Baronesse' is a sport of 'Mariatheresia' is that its code according to Tantau's Trademark listing is Tan97094 EdV. Tan97094 is 'Mariatheresia'. The EdV ending is found several times with other sports commercialized by Tantau, too. I suppose it is a kind of provisional breeder code until they are certain that the sport is stable.
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Dave Cannan, newsletter editor for The Otago Rose Society (affiliated to The New Zealand Rose Society) wrote in the November 2015 issue of the newsletter about 'Lucy's Rose' which he had purchased at a rural market:
"... I was also won over by the fact it was being sold as a fundraiser for Ranui House, in Christchurch, which is where local lass Lucy Falconer and her family stayed while she was being treated intensively for leukemia for two years from 2012. Now a healthy 8-year-old, Lucy has recovered “wonderfully well'' from her illness, according to her grandmother Jane Falconer, of ''Clanachburn'', but her family is now dedicated to raising as much money as it can for the Bone Marrow Cancer Trust, which runs Ranui Home for out-of-town patients and family. Jane says in conjunction with Tasman Bay Roses some 600 plants of ''Lucy's Rose'' were arranged for sale in the Maniototo this year and at last count only about 100 were left. But have no fear, there will be plenty more available in the coming years. I contacted Ben Pratt at Tasman Bay to get some more details about the intense pink quartered rosette-shaped floribunda rose. He tells me it was bred in Germany by 'Rosen Tatau', for whom they are agents. 'It is known in Germany as 'Baronesse' and is a beautiful variety worthy of naming after dear little Lucy and this great cause. It is in fact a sport of Mariatheresia, another great Tantau variety.' ."
Is this sufficient information for 'Lucy's Rose' to be included as an alternative name? If not, verification could be sought from Tasman Bay Roses.
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