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'Penelope' rose Reviews & Comments
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It appears photos from 2014 and previious can no longer be loaded. Not sure about 2015, but stuff from 2016 and forward is coming back Mabybe some of the content has been archived, but the thumbnails are still there so it's a bit misleading.
You probably already know about it, but if everyone thinks that then it does not get reported.
Not need to reply.
Best wishes,
JoeB.
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This is as well coloured as my 'Penelope's hips ever get.
I'm not able to upload a picture at present.
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#1 of 8 posted
27 NOV 17 by
 Jay-Jay
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From an earlier discussion about so-called Hybrid Musks:
Reply #11 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Andrew from Dolton
Thank you for that Jay-Jay.
'Penelope' is one of my favourite roses, the bud clusters as the first blooms are just opening look quite moschata like. Apparently it is the only rose with pink hips, but I have never seen photographic evidence of this. Mine only ever manage a dullish orange.
Reply #10 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Jay-Jay
When You look at Penelope, way back in the parentage tree, behind Desprez, You can actually find Rosa moschata Herrm. But what the unknown parentage is of the other used roses and/or seedlings???
There is a most interesting book about hybrid Musks written by Anne Velle with a Geneology tree of Hybrid- Moschata in it: ISBN: 978 90 209 9623 4
Maybe Anne Velle might be able/willing/so kind to upload that page... or the interested might buy this book!
Reply #11 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Andrew from Dolton
Thank you for that Jay-Jay.
'Penelope' is one of my favourite roses, the bud clusters as the first blooms are just opening look quite moschata like. Apparently it is the only rose with pink hips, but I have never seen photographic evidence of this. Mine only ever manage a dullish orange.
Reply #13 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Jay-Jay
Orange hips You mean and pink flower-buds?
Reply #14 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Andrew from Dolton
Graham Stuart Thomas says that 'Penenope' has pink hips.
Reply #15 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Jay-Jay
A slip of the tongue?
Reply #16 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Andrew from Dolton
Thomas wrote hips as heps, because of the reference to that part of a females' anatomy. He used the archaic English spelling shew/shews instead of show/shows.
Reply #17 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Jay-Jay
No confusion over here, we call them "bottels" (not Bottles). But some hips look like bottles or are urn-shaped.
Never thought of that female anatomy in combination with the rose-fruit ;-)
And is the color rose/rosé (roze in Dutch) not in fact pink? Rose-hips wrongly transformed in pink hips?
Reply #21 of 24 posted today by [HMF supporting member] Jay-Jay
Is any rose known to develop pink hips?
I never saw any and never heard of that.
Heard of, or seen these colors: Red, orange, yellow, green, all in different shades... and black hips.
Brown and gray hips too, but they were rotten or mouldy.
Reply #22 of 24 posted today by [HMF supporting member] Andrew from Dolton
In Graham Stuart Thomas Shrub Roses of Today, 1974 revised edition p.162-3:
'Penelope'.
...By late November the heps develop their soft colouring, it is a delightful diversion from the usual red, glossy berries of most shrubs to find these heps are dull and bloom-covered, and change from cool green to coral pink slowly. The warmer the autumn the more highly coloured they become, and last for many weeks. I know of no other shrubs with berries approaching this colour. (Plate III, heps only.).
There is even a coloured plate which I think was painted by Thomas himself, 'Penelope' on the centre left.
Reply #23 of 24 posted today by [HMF supporting member] Jay-Jay
Thank You,
That's indeed pearl pink. Would be nice in fall/winter.
Never seen before. The description on HMF states orange hips.
Maybe a member has some hip-photo's (no röntgen images) and can upload them.
Or make some, for on the Northern Hemisphere it is the time for rose-hips.
Maybe a part of this discussion might be transplanted to the Penelope page?
Reply #24 of 24 posted today by [HMF supporting member] Andrew from Dolton
Jay-Jay, I'll reply to you in the comments for 'Penelope'.
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#2 of 8 posted
27 NOV 17 by
Jay-Jay
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Can You upload that picture, You uploaded at Dinky, and/or post that-one at photo's for Penelope.
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Well here are some hips from the first flush of flowers at the end of May. It was a long hot dry summer here and I cut the hips off to photograph them, I don't think they will ripen anymore now. They are a terracotta colour with a tiny hint of pink, no way close to the coral pink of Thomas' painting.
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I wonder if your soil ph plays a part?... here in East Anglia when I had 'Penelope' I got that blush pink colour on the hips.... I thought they were very lovely and confirmed what Thomas said.. that's why I grew it... but I got disappointed with its rebloom, so didn't keep it..
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The soil at Briar Cottage or Sunningdale Nursery would have been acid sand. My soil is stony loam and acid too but not such a low PH as Surrey. My plant and another at a garden I tend in the village repeat flower well three time a year very well especially in Sept/Oct. I notice from the painting too that the hips are a different shape as well without any hint of a calyx.
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#7 of 8 posted
21 JAN 19 by
Jay-Jay
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It might be the wax on the hips, that might be pictured. Your hips just have almost no wax. Apples can look pink due by wax on the peel, but when rubbed purple or red.
This photo shows more wax... ergo more pinkish: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.137226
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True, they do have a slight bloom on them now largely washed off by the rain. I have been watching them like a hawk and at no point during the ripening process have they been any colour but green, then pale orange, then orange.
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each time I enter a journal entry, after pressing continue, the entry disappears.
how do I get it to be saved? The choices are: continue, delete, cancel.
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#1 of 7 posted
13 MAY 17 by
jedmar
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Continue is the right button to press. There are two journal entries from you from yesterday. Are these the ones which disappeared, or had you more?
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#2 of 7 posted
14 MAY 17 by
cherylh
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Wow Jedmar.
It's nice to know that you read my post. Thank you for that.
I think I answered your inquiry about both of my posts disappearing.
I do think that instead of "continue" , and then the post disappears, it would be helpful if it said "send", and then: "your message has been sent." Well, another example of how I don't control the world.
Since my friend had work done on her house, and the rose I have been trying to track down had been cut by the workers, I asked and received permission to take 2 cuttings. I watched "you tube" and learned how to root roses from cuttings, and I did just that! I understand it will take 4-5 weeks to see if they took, but I will check on them weekly, and see what will happen.
Hope spring is beautiful in Switzerland.
Cheryl
: )
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Did you decide whether to get 'Lupe's Buttons or 'Penelope'?
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#4 of 7 posted
15 MAY 17 by
cherylh
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Hi Jedmar,
Since I was able to get cuttings from the plant I think is Lupe's Buttons, and I am trying to root the cuttings now. I will wait 5 weeks to see if they took. If not, I will go for Penelope, because it has a more pronounced scent, but otherwise seems similar.
But, looking on line at the gorgeous climbing roses is very tempting.
What roses are you growing?
I have an Eden Rose, and another nameless rose, (a red climber) I got from Walmart. It was supposed to be a yellow rose!
Cheryl
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#7 of 7 posted
16 MAY 17 by
jedmar
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Cheryl, we are a bit crazy - about 1000 roses in 2 gardens.
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#5 of 7 posted
15 MAY 17 by
cherylh
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Hi Andrew,
Well how nice to hear from you all the way in Dolton. The weather sounds quite challenging there. I have a son living in Seattle where the weather is also challenging as far as rain is concerned. I live in Southern California, and it is usually very sunny here, so it is a time of rejoicing when we get rain. As a matter of fact, quite unexpectedly, this morning hearing a rather loud rhythmic sound that I couldn't identify at first, discovered that it was the sound of rain I had heard, pouring & pounding like nobody's business! It was absolutely shocking, and so refreshing.
As to the dilemma between Lupe's Buttons & Penelope, I will wait and see if Lupe decides to give me roots, and if so, that will be my choice. If she doesn't, I will send away for Penelope, and maybe a very dark purple climber too.
: ) Cheryl
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Hello Cheryl,
There is another Pemberton hybrid-musk that is very similar to 'Penelope' a little more compact and pinker but 'Felicia' is also an extremely good rose.
best wishes, Andrew.
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I planted my Penelope 3 years ago and it has not done well for me. It has grown very little and has had very few blooms and gets black spot like crazy. Buff Beauty which is planted nearby at the same time is huge, blooms like crazy and has never had black spot. I don't know whether I should continue to give Penelope a chance or just give up and try another rose in its place.
Carolina
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Move it after it goes dormant. Often just a better spot helps. Is it in full sun?
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