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'Paul's Scarlet Climber' rose Reviews & Comments
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If the parents are a hybrid tea and a Noisette, why is this rose being called hybrid wicherana or multiflora?
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 jedmar
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HMF's class denominations reflect what is found in literature. PCP seems to have been introduced as a hybrid wichurana, probably due to its characteristics. In the parentage you cannot see any Wichurana. Guessing, however, that "seedling of Gloire de Margottin" was actually Gloire de Margottin x R. wichurana.
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This rose is a survivor in areas of better rainfall (25" / 625mm or more) of the Adelaide Hills, zone 9b. Its broad shiny leaves are very recognisable. This week (mid-spring) I was looking at the fenceline of a long-derelict garden, and thinking, "I should know what that is". Then I saw the first bud showing red, and thought, "Oh, of course". I'll go back in a few weeks and take detail photos.
Its neighbour, Dorothy Perkins, was also just starting to show colour.
Some of the references call Paul's Scarlet a wichur(ai)ana but the stated parentages don't seem to fit with that. Maybe it became a habit in some areas to use that term for all ramblers, just as some people here call them banksias, and others call all understocks briars.
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"broad shiny leaves"... Do you know 'Danse du Feu'?
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No, not a named plant. I think it is too recent for that garden - the most modern one I identified there a few years ago was Ophelia. All now gone except R indica major, Dorothy Perkins and the red climber.
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For Perpetua (who has queried her photos of a possible 'Paul's Scarlet Climber')
You probably need to take another series of photos. Take side on photos of a new bud and pedicel. Take a photo every day, (or even twice a day) to show how the bud opens eventually.
The bud basically has three sections. Really simplying things:
THE TOP (ie – the head) The petals, enclosed by the sepals. Are the sepals tall or short? Do they have lots of appendages (folioles) , or are they simple with very very few folioles .
THE MIDDLE (the belly) The receptacle which contain the sexual parts. This later becomes the hip. Is the shape of the receptacle – long, thin, narrowing at the top, round?
THE BOTTOM (the legs) The pedicel. Is this smooth, glandular or prickly?
There are a lot of tiny characteristics that identify a rose and the bud is but one. If people agree that your rose is ‘Pauls Scarlet Climber’, then your photos will certainly help others in the future.
Unfortunately I don’t have the rose so I am unable to help further.
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25 FEB 16 by
perpetua
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hello!wow!never thought buds can help identify a rose,definitely will take some pictures when the time comes.i just thought it was psc because i couldn't see what else it could be,based on size,blooming-habit,no fragrance and the flowers,but i sure hope the buds will help settle this.mine is moderately thorny,the canes are quite supple.
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19 JUL 23 by
Jay-Jay
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And is it Paul's Scarlet Climber?
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American Rose Magazine 3(9): 153 (May-June 1940)
How Deep Do Rose Roots Go?
All sorts of surmises and correspondence and statements have been made as to the penetrating quality of rose roots. Recently a statement was made that they had been found more than 10 feet down. Here is one from Albert B. Morris, of the Western Rose Company, San Fernando, Calif., as follows:
I note in the Rose Annual a question about how deep the roots of roses go. An oil company here planted Paul's Scarlet on a fence around their property about ten years ago. This year they dug out one of their tanks, which was down sixteen feet, and the roots of the roses went below that.
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