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'Belle Cathérine' rose References
Book  (2021)  Page(s) 176-179.  Includes photo(s).
 
Translation:
The rose which according to these regulations [of ICRA] must bear the name 'Belle Cathérine' is an example of a rose whose name has been changed an unacceptable number of times over time. In this case, Pom's DNA study has provided new knowledge that contributed to the latest, and hopefully last, name change.
In the article "I spåren av en välkänd och okänd rosklassiker" ["In the footsteps of a well-known and unknown rose classic"] published in Lustgården 2019, Eva Stade, one of Pom's inventarizers, summarizes the variety's history and previous classification, with previously used names.
Pom and SKUD applied to the American Rose Society as ICRA to conserve the name "Banshee" because the name 'Belle Cathérine' had for some time had limited use and then was not used after 1946 while 'Banshee' was an established and well-known name in North America. Pom's application was rejected.
The consequence of this negative response is that the oldest correctly described and earliest established name according to the ICNCP remains the valid variety name. That name is 'Belle Cathérine'.
The uncertainty as to whether the name 'Belle Cathérine' was already used on another rose has been corrected. Pom has been in contact with representatives of French rose databases who have advised that the name 'Belle Cathérine' is not found in any of the national databases....
1810 In the herbarium at the Academy of Natural Sciences in Philadelphia, USA, there is the oldest known evidence of the variety in North America only given the name 'Banshee' in 1928.
1830-1840 The oldest known Pom story about 'Belle Cathérine' being grown in Sweden dates to this time. 238 data on the cultivation of the variety in Sweden were submitted to Pom during the National Inventory 2010-2017. 52 of them leave stories dating back to the time before 1920.
1905 "Mustialan ruusu", a national Finnish name for 'Belle Cathéine' is published in Finland.
1917 The oldest known Swedish herbarium sheets of Rosa x suionum with double flowers were collected in Sätra Brunn under the names Rosa francofurtana x nummulifolia and Rosa (gallica) Francofurtana Münchh. v. nummulifolia.
1918-1942 'Belle Cathérine' was marketed by Alnarps Trädgårdar.
1920 Rosa suionum with single flowers was published by Almquist in 1920. The rose was collected in Skogsvik, Danderyd in 1909. See photo.
1922 The oldest known record of Rosa x suionum with densely packed flowers was published by Gunnar Täckholm.
1928 'Banshee' was published in North America.
1946 W. Weibull A-B marketed 'Belle Cathérine'.
1947 and 1952-1954 Alnarps Trädgårdar marketed 'Belle Cathérine' under the name Rosa suionum.
1953-1975 Cedergren and Co, Råå marketed the variety under the name Rosa suionum, rose of the Swedes.
1985 'Minette' was published by Hellmut Merker, Helsingborg and is still the name used in the Swedish trade.
2016 'Svea', a variety close to 'Belle Cathérine', was introduced into commerce by Pom.
2019-2021 Pom and SKUD applied to the American Rose Society, ICRA for the name 'Banshee' to be conserved, but the application was rejected. The name 'Belle Cathérine' thus becomes the accepted name of the variety.
2021 'Parten', a variety close to 'Belle Cathérine' was published by Pom.

'Belle Cathérine'.... The variety was named by Carl G. Dahl who was in charge of Alnarp's Gardens when the variety was introduced to the trade in 1918.
Book  (2020)  Page(s) 145.  
 
.... It is possible that 'Schöne von Angeln', as also 'Minette' could be a cross with Rosa blanda. 
Article (magazine)  (2019)  Page(s) 82-87.  Includes photo(s).
 
Translation:
....Tentatively I call my examined rose for NR (N as in Nordic, North European, North American). It is an old cultivated rose (or rather a cluster of many similar varieties) of unclear origin but with widespread in older gardens and parks, in cemeteries and wastelands in Northern Europe and North America. In Sweden, we have, among other things, called it Rosa suionum, 'Svearna's rose', 'Rose of the North' and 'Minette'. In other countries has it been given other names.
It is a healthy, hardy and fragrant rose type with characteristic appearance – different clones within the variety cluster are distinguished by different number of petals. At least in Sweden, Finland, parts of Norway, Canada and the northeastern United States are among the most common NRs anonymous old roses that you come across. The origin is particularly difficult to trace, as it seems to have been widely distributed outside the commercial channels through that people shared and moved root shoots. 20th century renaissance for older roses and their history as well as NR's special appearance and large spread has meant that it noticed in several places by both botanists and gardeners and also reintroduced to the market. They more detailed descriptions of NR that have been published are very congruent and seem to refer the same relatively well-filled clone, which also appears to be the most common (Hylander & Nannfeldt 1945, Bell 1977, Nissen 1984, etc.).
A common hypothesis states that NR is a hybrid between some American rose and, likely, a damascena rose – the flower of the most common clone resembles the damascena variety 'Kazanlike'. A meeting between a North American wild rose and some older Eurasian cultural rose may have taken place in North America already during the early colonization on 17th century – a similar meeting in Europe probably not until the end of the 18th century, then American roses incorporated into various collections began to be used in the breeding of new varieties. Several kinds of roses included single, double or filled flowers were brought to Europe during the second half of the 18th century. The variation of these can perhaps be seen as indications that cultivated roses took from Europe may already have been crossed before then with native North American species.
French rose breeding dominated in Europe from the late 18th century. Several breeders used the new American imports in his crossing work. Descriptions of the roses of the time (Prévost 1829, Gore 1838, Biedenfeld 1847 etc.) did not include any variety with stated American element as a whole corresponds to NR. Some are described with morphological features that we recognize as typical of our rose: The characteristic clumpy flower bases, the difficulty of the flowers to bloom in humid weather and the rounded, close-fitting, thin, grass-green leaflets, the tendency to sometimes get a couple of small extra leaves. This can be taken as support for the hypothesis about NR's lineage.
Above all the early 19th century roses 'Baron Louis' (Vibert) 'Rose Courtney' (syn. 'Rose Anglaise' [Vibert], Rosa campanulata [Desportes]) has like 'Minette' (Vibert) descriptions which in many ways can be applied to NR. But everyone is also said to have someone distinct character that separates them from ours Rose. The flower base is stated to be smooth in 'Baron' Louis', provided with bristles and glands (glandular hairs) in 'Rose Courtney'. The flower base in NR there are plenty of glands but neither single hairs or bristles. For 'Minette' is stated that the flower stem below the bracts (supporting leaves) is bald and that the flower is still small medium size. NR never has small flowers and the lower part of the flower stalk often has (but not always) small prickles.
Because many of the roses produced in France are described too summarily for any of them will surely can be linked to NR, can French origin not completely excluded. The contemporary spread of the rose however, speaks more for it to be of North American or Northern European origin. However, there is very little available documentation of early rose breeding in USA, Canada, Germany, Baltics and not to forget Russia where Descemet.....moved in end of the 1810s.
It therefore seems unlikely that we will be able to determine when, where and how NR was created. Spread through the garden trade has, at least during the last 100 or so over the years, often done by collecting propagating material in gardens or parks. For Example Alnarp's tree nurseries in the early 20th century seem to have brought in the variety from a private garden. Here it was called 'Belle Catherine', a name obtained through hearsay (Hylander & Nannfeldt 1945). In recent times the Canadian nursery Pickering Nurseries propagated the rose from material that was provided by a private individual as 'Banshee' (stefanb8 2007). In Norway it was marketed under the name 'Besto' by a nursery which is said to have received the material from one farm, whose owner had roots in and operated trade with Estonia (Salversen & Åsen 2010). In Finland, the rose was propagated commercially at the end of the 19th century from the Mustiala agricultural institute (Joy odat.). The rose can have there been spread, possibly as a survivor from a former garden, in the surrounding the park laid out in 1865 by the adventurous Swedish garden architect Knut Forsberg.....
Mustiala named NR Rosa hybrida amoena (Nummi 2001), a name that also under 20th century was used as a synonym for 'Mustialan ruusu', i.e. "The rose from Mustiala" (Joy). Amoena (delightful) or Amaena can be found in older literature such as, or in, names of several different roses but no one works to identify as NR. Above all in German rose literature from the 19th century contains numerous examples: Among others Nickels (1838), Biedenfeld (1847) and Jäger (1936) state 'Amoena' as the name of several different kinds roses. Also in Sweden between the 1860s and In the 1930s, several "amoena" (POM's rose database). And in 1947 it reported Canadian breeder F L Skinner from a tour of Sweden, that he in a botanical garden noticed by NR under the name Rosa amoena grandiflora. He knew well again the one from home - as 'Banshee'.
In the Finnish garden trade, for a time also the name 'Coronation' was used as a synonym for 'Mustialan ruusu' (Lindgren 1905). As the directory states: commonly called NR should have been known as 'Mustialan ruusu' this Finnish designation already before 1905. 'Mustialan ruusu' or 'Mustialanruusu' is still used in Finland in parallel with the Swedish-invented names Rosa suionum and 'Minette'. ('Coronation' is since 1911 the name of a red-flowering climbing rose).
The oldest evidence found for NR in Sweden is a pair of herbarium sheets from 1917 collected in Sätra brunn (originally labeled Rosa francofurtana x nummulifolia) and the Bergian garden (marked R (gallica) francofurtana Münchh. v nummulifolia). Based on one another sheet with a simple white, rather small flower, in 1919 Almquist considered himself, in national romantic zeal, to have discovered a previously unknown "indigenous, upland rose species" that he gave the name Rosa suionum. In some unclear way this name was later transferred to the pink full-flowered rose, i.e. NR, on, among other things, the sheet from 1917. When it was realized that the rose also existed in Norway, the direct translation 'Svearnas ros' was changed to 'Nordisk ros' (Hylander & Nannfeldt / Fries, Sylvén & Hylander 1945). An x was later often added in the name to mark that it is about a hybrid. Rosa x suionum has until today incorrectly used as the name of NR together with the equally incorrect 'Minette'.
The name 'Minette' came via a Danish rose nursery to Sweden from EuropaRosarium Sangerhausen in the former GDR (Merker 1985) where the rose has been cultivated since 1940 (Nissen 1984). Here the NR was stated to be an Alba rose introduced in 1819 by Vibert. That NR obviously cannot be identical to Vibert's 'Minette' has not prevented the name to spread epidemically. In Finland, Estonia and Russia, among others, 'Minette' has been adopted as a synonym for Rosa suionum and 'Mustialanruusu' (Joy, Liventhaal 2017, Russian Wikipedia 2017). It even has guested for a few years with Canadian Pickering Nurseries (stefanb8 2007). These withdrew however, the native name 'Banshee', then it has been pointed out that 'Minette' is an incorrect and invalid name for this rose.
During the 1970s, Nissen collected found roses from their homelands in northwestern Germany, among them one whom she called 'Dornenlose Kreiselrose'. In 1984 she had realized that this was the same rose that was called in Sweden Rosa suionum and at the rosary in Sangerhausen as 'Minette'. She herself identified her foubndling as a Francofurtana variety (Nissen 1984). Her collection is preserved at the Museum Albersdorf where one now on good grounds dropped the first name "Dornenlose" – this is certainly not a thornless rose (Museum für Archäologie und Ökologie Dithmarschen 2016). Nissen may have taken the name from Nickels, who stated 'Dornenlose Kreiselrose' as the German name for Rosa turbinata inermis rosea (Rosa alpina turbinata). During the group designation "turbinata", based on the peculiar shape of the flower base, describes he, among other things, varieties of and crosses with the mysterious North American Rosa rapa (Nickels 1838) which is stated to be one of the parent varieties of 'Baron Louis' and 'Rose Courtney' (Prévost 1829, Gore 1838, Biedenfeld 1847 and others).
Our rose is well known in Canada and the USA, especially in and around the New England area. Here, too, the variety seems to have often spread from person to person. It received attention in rose literature during the first half of 20th century. In 1977, Bell wrote a comprehensive article, including detailed description and detailed drawings, of her research of a rose she found abandoned and identified afterwards as 'Banshee'. This vernacular Canadian names she found first in Bunyan's Old Garden Roses from 1936. In a article in American Rose Annual 1940 found she the information that 'Banshee' was one of them most common roses in eastern Canada and that its origin was unknown.
Bunyan also described a mutation with fewer petals and less tendency of the swelling buds to.... balling, ie stick together and dry into damp weather, and Bell noted that 'Banshee' is not a variety but a collective name for a group of similar roses with different many petals. Seidel (2011) claimed have found at least nine American variants. Even during the Swedish Rose project specimens with fewer petals than the "normal type" have been found.
In the herbarium of the Academy of Natural Sciences in Philadelphia, Bell found four sheets from 1810 with unidentified roses she recognized as 'Banshee'. The archives match with 'Banshee' was confirmed later by Seidel. Currently, these are the very oldest known finds of NR. (At the evolution museum in Uppsala there is an American herbarium sheet from 1886 with what is probably also our rose.) Bell also claimed that 'Loyalist Rose' is just another name on typical 'Banshee', but according to Young & Schorr (1977) 'Loyalist Rose' is actually 'Great Maiden's Blush'. The Loyalist name was registered in the 1970s by descendants of Scottish emigrants. According to the family chronicle would the rose have been brought from Scotland to northern New York in 1773 and a few years later to Canada (Mitchell 2006). The claim that NR originated in Scotland, where it alleged to have been carried by crusaders under the name 'Maiden's Blush', is not convincing for several reasons. Among other things, because this rose given its exceptional dispersal and survivability in that case still should be well known in Scotland. It seems not to be at all.
But it is clear that NR has been cherished and loved in many families for generations on both sides of the Atlantic, often accompanied by stories of past generations that carried it with him from place to place. During the Swedish Rose Appeal inventory collected and documented stories of how the rose was sent from Sweden to relatives in the USA (Salversen & Aasen 2010) and on the contrary. During the rose inventory I met an informant who told us that in the family it is said that an aunt had the "American Rose" with her moved to Dalarna in the early 20th century. One another informant said that the father took it to Sweden in the 1960s from the childhood farm in Finland and said that "the Finnish rose was one of the best from home".
it does not seem possible to determine when, how or even on which continent this one of our most common old roses arose or originally may have been called. Many name used or used can as I here shown are dismissed as incorrect. 'Banshee', 'Mustialan ruusu' and (possibly) 'Belle Catherine' is the epithet we know for sure refers to NR and no one else. 'Mustialan ruusu' seems to have the very oldest known documentation (1905), but then as explanatory synonym of (the incorrect) 'Coronation' which is why it can only be considered one national Finnish name.
'Belle Cathérine' has the second oldest documentation. However, it has had an extreme limited use – only at Alnarps tree schools 1918 -1946 and the uniqueness of the name was even questioned by the person who introduced it the. This is how Hylander and Nannfeldt write 1945: ... Professor C. G. Dahl, under whose chief time this rose began to be distributed from Alnarp, kindly announced the following: “Regarding 'Belle Cathérine' I can mention that I know well to this one... Only once have I heard one name of it, namely 'Belle Cathérine', communicated by an old lady who knew it from her youth in Karlskrona" ... "I found a notice about 'Belle Cathérine' in a register of cultivated roses in France but this applied to one type with another flower color Now has a certain name very often used for several completely different roses, and that's good it is not excluded that this also happened with this name.” It is not clear from the French register was older or younger in 1918 and the name has could not be found in any now available French variety list.
While 'Belle Catherine' had for a time very limited use and then forgotten is 'Banshee' the established and current name for our rose in North America. In Modern Roses 12 (Young & Schorr 1977) 1928 is stated as the oldest date. With the target clearing up the name mess will therefore representative of POM (The program for cultivated diversity) and SKUD (Swedish cultural plant database) applied to the American Rose Society that the variety's internationally valid name henceforth should be 'Banshee'.
Website/Catalog  (20 Feb 2017)  Includes photo(s).
 
Minette. This rose is considered Alba - first of all: I have no idea how one arrives at that conclusion. If everyone is indeed talking about the same rose ...
I received 4 different roses: a "Dornenlose Kreiselrose", an Alba suinoum, a Minette and an unknown found rose. All of these 4 roses turned out to be identical!
I have now decided for myself to call this rose "Minette", but not as Alba. But maybe genetic tests will teach me better ...
Now, what do the proponents of the "turbinata theory" say? Well, of course the calyxes of this rose are almost exactly in the form in which we know today's or maybe yesterday's and the day before yesterday's humming tops. At the time of naming a particular type of rose class or variety as a "Kreiselrose", these tops looked different, however, because they had a constriction and taper conically for being driven with a "whip". Now that the so-called Gallica x francofurtana had this constriction, these forms of the Gallica roses were so named. But Minette is not a gallica rose either, although she likes to produce suckers. It also does have a lot of prickles. This classification is also quite incomprehensible to me!
Alba suionum and Minette are usually already synonymous in Scandinavia with a rose that is usually described as "our" Minette here. But I still hope to find another rose that looks more like Alba under the name suionum, maybe one day ... What or who is this Minette here? So, I don't know! I only know that I recognize it immediately when I see it, because it has foliage that is so well rounded or even fully round, with the end leaflet usually covered by the first two leaflets on the side.
Article (magazine)  (Dec 2015)  Page(s) 16.  Includes photo(s).
 
’Minette’, F: mustialanruusu Vibert, France 1819. Commonly found in old gardens in Southern and Central Finland, and in Sweden as well. ’Minette’ is rare in Central Europe. The Finns have considered this rose as Finnish, the Swedes as theirs as suggested by the Swedish appellations R. x suionum and svearnas ros. In Finland it is generally called “mustialanruusu”, i.e., ”the Mustiala rose”, as this rose was sold and distributed by Mustiala Nursery during the early 20th century. Only during the mideighties did Swedish rosarians recognise this plant bearing the name ’Minette’ in the collections at Sangerhausen. Vibert, who raised it, assigned his rose to the centifolias, but in Finland it is nowadays considered to be an alba. ’Minette’ forms a rounded bush to a meter, which suckers freely. The foliage is light green, slightly glossy with leaflets rounded towards the tips. It flowers through most of July. The beautifully scrolled flowers are medium in size, double, a warm blush pink, well scented. The buds tend to ball up in wet weather. A few large orange-tinted hips may set in warm seasons.
Website/Catalog  (2015)  Includes photo(s).
 
Translation:
"Dornenlose Kreiselrose", Rosa x suionum, Minette.
Hybrid Francofurtana, Turbinata, before 1820, 120 cm and more, good fragrance.
Summer-blooming.
The origin of this rose is unclear. Likewise its classification. Sometimes it is stated »before 1815«. The oldest source I know is 1819.
The valid name should actually be ‘Minette’, at least this appears almost continuously in the sources. The German name is popular - at least in the German-speaking countries.
The rose is without thorns, is clear, but it has pointed, grayish prickles ... In our latitudes always hardy, blooms in summer, doesn't like rain, the blooms then ball badly. But tolerates semi-shade well.
Is called Alba, even Centifolia. Do not see on the rose where these assignments come from. For me, simply a wild rose hybrid (unknown parents and origin).
‘Francofurtana’ itself is also a wild rose hybrid with more than a dozen synonyms (“Tapetenrose”, Rosa inermis (turbinata), Rosa x francofurtana ‘Kreiselrose’, Rose without prickles); Rosa x francofurtana is probably a cross between Rosa majalis and Rosa gallica.
‘Kreiselrose’ refers to the peculiar goblet shape, rounded, top-shaped and with delicate bristles or hairs; in Rosa x francofurtana the upper area is smooth and more clearly offset than can be seen here with this variety. The whole calyx seems to me more like a "drinking cup" than a spinning top. However, seen as a whole with the closed bud showing no color, the link to this toy may be closer. Because then everything in the crown petals comes together nicely - and it may turn around mentally ...
Photo /. shows well the peculiar overlapping of the leaflets of this rose, continuously at the tip actually with all leaves.
 
Book  (2011)  Page(s) 64-65.  Includes photo(s).
 
[From "Sweden's National Inventory Uncovers Mystery Roses" by Lars-Åke Gustavsson, pp. 51-67]

One really true mystery rose is the second most common in Sweden, a cultivar with pink flowers that is regarded a a very old rose of Swedish or Nordic origin. Its origin and classification have been intensively discussed for many decades, both in Sweden and abroad. In Sweden since the 1980s it has probably been wrongly named 'Minette'. Until its origin, name and parentage are clarified, I prefer to use its earlier name, Rosa x suionum. It is most probably identical with "Banshee", a rose cultivated in North America since the 1770s. On morphological characteristics, Rosa x suionum is difficult to classify. Often classified as an Alba and sometimes as a Damask rose, it differs significantly from these two Groups. Preliminary data from our DNA studies indicate a relationship with the Damasks,
Article (magazine)  (2010)  Page(s) 85-89.  
 
[Bibliography mentioned for 'Nordens Rose':]
Arnold, H. & Arnold, V. 2007.- Alte Rosen in Meldorf.- Schleswig-Holsteinischen Landwirtschaftsmuseum, Meldorf - (www.museum-albersdorf.de/rosen)
Bell, L. 1977.- Banshee: The great impersonator - American Rose Annual, cited from Parden, P. 2007.- Old garden roses and beyond - December 2007 (url.: www.rdrop.com/~paul/main_dec.html).
Biedenfeld, F.F. von, 1847.- Das Buch der Rosen - 2. ed., Weimar 1847
Boitard, M. 1836.- Manuel complet de l'amateur de roses.- Paris 1836
Brekke, N.G. (red.) 1993.- Kulturhistorisk vegbok Hordaland - Hordaland fylkeskommune og Norf 4, Bergen 480 p.
Desportes, N. 1828.- Rosetum gallicum ou énumération méthodique des espèces et variétés du genre rosier indigènesen France ou cultivée dans les jardins,...  - Le Mans et Paris, 1828, 124 p.
Gore, M. 1838.- The rose Fancier's Manual.- Henry Colburn, London
Gustavsson, L.-Å. 2008.- Rosor för nordiska trädgårdar. - Vol. 1-3, Natur och Kultur, Stockholm.
Hämet-Ahti, L., Palmen, A., Alanko, P. & Tigerstedt, P.M.A. 1992.- Suomen puu- ja pensaskasvio - Dendrologian Seura - Dendroloska Sällskapet r.y., Helsinki, 373 p.
Hylander, N. & Nannfeldt, J. A. 1945 .- Rosa siuonum - Lustgården, Årsskrift för Föreningen för dendrology och parkvård (1944/1945):45-56, Stockholm.
Joy, p. 2006.- Finlands rosetradisjon.- Rosebladet 24 (2/2006): 3-8. (English version: Of Rose traditions and traditional roses in Finland). - The Finnish Rose Society (http://puutarha.net/ruususeura/c-englanti/Articles/Joy/rose-traditions-3.html).
Lura, S. 2008.- "Pickering now lists Minette as Banshee".- Heritage Rose Foundation, General Discussion & Message posting website (last update March 06, 2008).
Malmgren, U. 1986.-Släkter Rosa i Sverige - Svensk Bot. Tidskr. 80: 209-227.
Merker, H. 1985a.- Nordiska rosen (Rosa suionum) demaskerad. - Svensk Bot. Tidskr. 78(1984): 309-312.
Merker H. 1985b.- Genmäle om Rosa suionum.- Svensk Bot. Tidskr. 78[79]:237-239.
Nilsson, E. 1981.- Svearnas Ros - Svensk Bot. Tidskr. 75(1975): 225-230.
Nissen, G. 2005.- Alte Rosen - 11. ed. 2005, Verlag Boyens, Heide, 124 p.
Vibert, J.-P. 1820.- Observations sur la nomenclature et le classement des roses: suivis du catalogue de celles cultivées. - Huzard, Paris, 1820, 48 p. 
Article (magazine)  (2010)  Page(s) 29-32.  Includes photo(s).
 
[Rough translation from the original text in Norwegian]

'Nordens Rose' [Rose of the North] (Rosa x suionum Almq., "Svernas Ros", syn.: Rosa campanulata Borkh., non 'Minette' Vibert 1819?)
Oncde one gets to know it, it is easy to decide. It forms a lax, 1.5 m tall shrub with glossy grass-green foliage and branches. Few, but sharp prickles often sit in pairs at each joint. The petals are thin and smooth with pointed teeth forthest out, but not along the wedge-shaped opposite end, which is attached to the center of the blade with a short and thin stalk, giving it all a form which is easy to recognize, ven in old herbaria specimens.
Occasionally, an extra leaf flap may lurk between the small leaflets at the end blade. However, the most prominent feature of the rose is an extremely wide bud similar to that of 'Agatha' with a distinct "double chin". Glanded bristles are less stiff with 'Nordens Rose' and more evenly spread over sepals, bud and stalk than with 'Agatha'. The flower is filled with thin and broad petals that easily adhere together, making it difficult for the flower to expand in humid weather. When expanded, it is similar in colour as well as in fragrance to the damask rose Rosa x damascena 'Kazanlik'.
'Nordens Rose' is one of the most common roses to find remaining in abandoned gardens in the inner regions of eastern Norway, Telemark and Agder.The occurences here obviously hang together with the widespread distribution on the Swedish side of the border, where it is common to encounter it in old towns (Hylander & Nannfeldt 1945; Malmgren 1986; Gustavsson 2008), and through Finland and Estonia (Hämet-Ahti et al. 1992; Joy 2006)). In Østfold information was recorded on families of mariners which brought it with them (Ola Larsen, Østfold rose association, personal communication). While it is common in southeast Norwayall the way along the coast, it is absent from Lindesnes to Molde. The few findings we have are said according to our informants to be introductions from the east, with one exception: A nursery in Os near Bergen has had it on sale as "Besto" with material from Engjavik in Fusa. This might have come there with the Meidell family with ancestors in Estonia, who had traded there from the 1820s (Brekke 1993). In the north we have found it in the inner fjords of Fauske,  and Arne Lundstad in 1952 at the church cemetery in Rognan (Saltdal, belegg [?], NLH).
'Nordens Rose' seems little variabel in Norwegian material. However, the naming has been debated and been the subject of contention. The same rose occurs under different names in different parts of the world. The one in Finland called "Mustilanruusu" [Mustailanruusu] (Hämet-Ahti et al. 1992) and in Germany it is known as "Dornlöse Kreiselrose" [Dornenlose Kreiselrose] (Nissen 2005; Arnold & Arnold 2007) are probably the same rose that is sold as 'Minette' in the Nordic countries and referred to as Rosa x suionum by botanists, according to Hylander & Nannfeldt (1945). We are pretty convinced that the one trading as "Banshee" in North America must also be the same (Bell 1977; Joy 2006; Lura 2008). It has been suggested that 'Nordens Rose' arose from a cross of a damask rose from Europe with the Virgina rose (Rosa virginiana) from North America (Bell 1977; Nilsson 1981; Nannfeldt 1985). Such a meeting could have happened in many collections where roses from the New World were included from the 18th century onwards.
It has also been questioned whether this is really the rose which Vibert commercialized in 1819 (see Merker 1985a, b; Nannfeldt 1985). He listed 'Minette' under hybrids of his "26th Class, Cent feuilles" with the year 1819 set for the first flowering (Vibert 1820). The synonymy with Rosa x suionum is apparently based on a plant that was labeled 'Minette' in the Sangerhausen rosary (Merker 1985a, b). It is not known where this example came from and it has been more than once suggested that the labels in the collection may have been misplaced (Nannfeldt 1985; Lars-Åke Gustavsson, personal communication). Bell (1977) suggests that 'Banshee' fits with the description of 'Baron Louis' as given by Gore (1838), a rose listed under "Turnep Rose" originating in North America. The same is described in greater detail also by Desportes (1828), Boitard (1836) and Biedenfeld (1840) under roses originating in North America. They also describe 'Minette', but then under roses from Europe. Comparison of the descriptions in these early sources is difficult, since authentic material of the old varieties is missing , but if one should choose a place to look, 'Rose Courtenay' (syn.: 'Rosa Anglaise', Rosa campanulata Desp. non Ehrhart 1791) should be examined further. It is very similar to the description of 'Baron Louis', but clearly matches our rose better than the contemporary descriptions of 'Minette' (see especially Boitard 1836). The British-American context is particularly interesting, since it has been suggested that 'Banshee' originally came to North America from Scotlandas early as 1773 (Bell 1977). Such a journey can of course have happened more than once. For example, there is early information about a rose from Washington documented in the Uppsala Herbarium (UPS, see Nilsson 1981), and there exist reports that it has been taken to the United States as root cuttings by Swedish immigarnts from the Stockholm area (Lars-Åke Gustavsson, personal communication).
Book  (2009)  Page(s) 128-129.  Includes photo(s).
 
Translation from Finnish:
'Minette', mustialanruusu
Vibert, France 1819
'Minette' is different than other Alba-Roses. Many experts do not consider it an Alba at all. Some nurseries list it as a Rosa francofurtana. The breeder himself classed it among Centifolias!.
The rose got its Finnish name from the Mustiala Agricultural School in Tammela, where at the turn of the 20th century a rose named Rosa hybrida amoena was added to its nursery. Later Mustianruusu has been transgerred as suckers from old gardens. 'Minette' is rare in Central Europe. In Finland, own root seedlings are fortunately available today.
The Finnish Rose Society chose Mustialanruusu as the rose of the year for 2005.
'Minette' was one of the three roses preserved in the overgrown garden of Simola [garden and nursery of the late author]. I was a little amazed about the rose taste of the previous owner ladies, as delicate pink flowered roses were growing in every corner. Even the birs built their nests in the rose bushes. Only later did I find out how precies the old rose in question was.
Support frames for Clematis were attached to the west wall of the house. After the death of the Clematis, Mustialanruusu that was next to the frame started to grow in the frame. To my surprise, my new climbing rose grew to decorate almost three meters. Its crowns did not freeze due to the warmth of the wall. In fact I would not have thought of moving Minette to the wall.
Normally Mustialanruusu is s 100-150 cm tall shrub with few prickles, whose top parts might freeze in winter. In order to increase flowering it is worth pruning a little in spring. Foliage is light green, large and rounded. In dry summers, long-lasting bloom is at its best in July, but in rainy weather the buds may rot. The blooms are medium-sized, once-blooming, pink, passing to white, and pleasantly fragrant. Following warm summers, it forms large, round, orange-coloured hips. Seeds have not germinated.
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