It looks to me like "they" (Star/Meilland) are selling two different roses under the name "Julio Iglesias." In the U.S. it is definitely a hot pink and white stripe. From the pics posted here, however, it looks like the Europe/Russia version is a red and white stripe. I do notice that there are 2 different code names for it also. Anybody know why?
It's continentally primarily Asian, with a continental minority in Europe.
But mostly because it's not typical for one to think of Russian when European is stated. At least from a North American point of reference. Which is to say, "That large chunk of geography of Northern Asia."
Meaning, we could say Hawaii is in Oceania, and it technically is, but we still call it North America, and more specifically, American.
The clue is that Europe is actually just a subcontinent, forming Eurasia together with Asia. Form the cultural point of view, moreover, there is no doubt that Russia belongs to Europe. Russian and other slavic languages are close relatives to the germanic languages. English has lost nearly all syntactic features of indo-european languages over the last 500 years, so that it might be that English speakers are unable to perceive that any longer.
I was very surprised that Anglo-american anti-Russian bias even applies to roses. What is the idea behind contrived separating of neighbors with a common history from each other? What is the point to offer an affront to either Russians or other Europeans? I am German and I felt the original phrasing to be an agressive and unnecessary discrimination.
My words were not politicized to begin with. I was describing areas of land where certain logistics frequent. I could have made it broader or more narrow if I could read more languages and had ready access to catalogs for every area. But that is not something I can do byself. If more people over the world would volunteer here, that would help give broader knowledge to more places for roses.
Since you wish to still politicize my words, I will have no choice but to make my words not visible for you. I'm here for roses -- not politics and mis-conceived hypotheticals of politics.
That was my comment, originally made January 25, 2010. If you look at the pictures of this rose in the HMF photos section just preceding that date, you will see Portugal and Moscow as the locations where the photos were taken of this rose that show the red/white version of this "Julio Iglesias" rose. All I ever meant by "Europe/Russia" was to include all of that land area within what appeared to be the distribution area of the red/white version of this rose, while the US-sourced photos had, apparently, a different version -- a pink/white rose with a different codename -- but bearing the same common name, Julio Iglesias. There was no politics whatsoever in the comment I made way back then. I was just trying to show that there were apparently two different roses under distribution in two separate geographic areas under the same name. And I think that is the point of HMF -- to educate on roses, not politics.
Commercially, politically and geographically can be different things in Europe. Geographically some of Russia is in Europe and some of it in Asia. What was written by Rosaholic was not in the least offensive.
