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'Summer Song' rose Reviews & Comments
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16 NOV 16 by
JM3
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This is no longer for sale in the US, buy I'm willing to pay for a cutting. Does it perform reasonably on its own roots?
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Sometimes sold on Etsy for way overprice.
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#2 of 10 posted
3 DEC by
 Lee H.
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I’m beginning to believe that one can make a tidy side hustle with discontinued Austin roses. Same story with Jude the Obscure.
It’s only overpriced if you can’t find willing buyers…
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They seem to be quite the status symbol in some quarters. I wonder if the DA company will not live to regret its' aggressive culling policy.
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lol, I hope you live long enough to see that! They have been culling better roses for poorer roses since their early days, sometimes just to replace a pink rose on the market without patent protection with one that did get patented.
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Ding ding ding. Watch what Star does now that the KO patents will start to wane.
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just for the record and a bit off-topic, can you recommend good older DA cultivars that are worth to grow?
I kinda like their older ones anyway, Summer Song was quite new but stopped - one of my favourites still.
i really don't have a problem with it as long as it's treated like a HT or floribunda, harder pruning etc
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I'm not a DA expert.
For health and abundance, Jude the Obscure is amazing. But she is a BIG plant.
For size and repeat, Jubilee Celebration. Big blooms on normal-size plant, in a nice color.
For classic look, small stature, and health: Geoff Hamilton. But it has low summer repeat. Large Spring/summer flushes, but it is not much for summer bloom.
Most DA are kinda garbo here, because they're big blooms on big plants, prone to being drug into the ground by their own devices + rain.
A good non-DA alternative is Distant Drums, which is bred from a DA. Prairie Sunrise has DA type blooms on a floribunda plant. Some newer alternatives. I am currently testing out the French versions of DA. One called Allegorie and another called Esprit de Paris. I am hoping they are MUCH smaller plants, but with good repeat.
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Oh thanks, i'm definitely gonna check them out! :)
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In the USA, we have found the DA cultivars to be quite climate specific. If you could give us some idea of what your particular climate in Hungary is like, we might have some ideas. That said, you probably could not go wrong with the now venerable 'Mary Rose', not maybe the most dramatic of roses, but among the most dependable. 'Fair Bianca', remember her, is a charming rose on a weak plant. I was fond of 'Symphony', now I believe being called 'Allux Symphony' and 'English Garden', both having modest growth habit, strong stems and good rapid bloom of large, flat many petalled flowers. AS is a nice soft yellow color while EG has a more goldy bronze color and grows about a foot taller than AS.
I think 'Evelyn' is one of the most beautiful of all roses, but is very much a desert rose, which will flourish wherever SDLM can be grown.
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Thank you for the input! Well we're mostly zone7, colder winters than most of the UK (although this winter was mild again, the lowest in my garden was 14F and for a few days only) and hotter summers with drought sometimes with highs between cc 80-107F. Roses Like the weather because of the sun and it's arid, but better to water them weekly if no sufficient rain for a while.
(Austins are very popular here although i never really liked them apart from some personal favourite like Abraham Darby, Othello, i also have the Pilgrim, Judi Dench and Summer Song - the latter 2 are very good performers through the whole summer)
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Summer Song is a really special rose in a rare colour. That said, I really hate these secretive "seedling x seedling" statements. Mr Austin did not invent roses, he built upon the works of others, who themselves have been building upon the works of others for generations. Nobody can make me believe Mr Austin got Summer Song as a chance seedling with unknown parentage. By not disclosing the parentage, he wants to prevent others from going down the same road in hybridising.
Of course it's not only an Austin phenomenon, and part of my argument is vain because I can use Summer Song itself in hybridising, but I still find this kind of non-disclosure irritating to say the least.
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It would be fun to guess the parentage. I grow two own-root Pat Austin with shiny & glossy foliage, and I can see some Pat Austin in pictures of Summer Song's leaves. Pat is a water-hog and can't take full-sun & best in 4 hours of morning sun. Pat Austin has a mango scent (like Summer Song). Another rose that might be in Summer Song's parentage is Geranium Red (amazing scent & many petals, but wimpy).
The glossy-foliage like Summer Song and Pat Austin need alkaline minerals & shade and constant wetness more than others, in my experience of growing 110+ OWN-ROOT roses.
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#3 of 3 posted
17 DEC by
jmile
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I got my first Summer Song this year. We get very hot in the Summer in Zone 9B so I put it where it only got sun half day. It grew very listlessly. It produced some flowers but not much----so I moved it into full sun and heat----It loved it. It perked up and sent out new growth. I didn't water it a lot either---- it was adapt or die and it chose to adapt and it is looking a lot better. I am hoping that next year will be even a better year in full sun and hot weather. I got two more young plants this Fall so I will experiment. Maybe graft it onto Fortuniana to see how that goes.
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The habit of not disclosing parentage is particularly annoying for us who garden in difficult climates because it prevents us from studying lineages to help us determine whether a cultivar can thrive in our climate and soil conditions. It does help a little to know in which of his five categories Austin places his roses, but even that information is not always or often included in nursery descriptions.
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Sometimes this rose smells very strong, other times hardly anything at all. It does not seem to matter on the age of the bloom or weather conditions or time of day it randomly gives my nose all or nothing. When it does fickley decide to realise some fragrance it is truly ravishing.
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Initial post
4 JAN 16 by
Poesie
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Hello,
Just first 79-13-01 is completed, others are empty.
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.41087&tab=21&lstTyp=256
Please if you delete empty descendants.
Poesie
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