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'Claret Cup' rose Reviews & Comments
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Available from - Kurinda Rose Nursery
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SUPER thorny! Must be named for the colour and quantity of the blood one sheds when handling it!
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8 NOV 07 by
Cradoc
I wouldn't classify this as a miniature. While It's not an overly tall plant, it has reached about 3 feet in height and is quite robust. I received my first plant of this rose as a mistake on a mail order but will be planting one by design at my new house. Lovely flowers.
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#1 of 6 posted
8 NOV 07 by
digger
What size are the blooms? One of our older minis (Irresistible) got 5 feet tall and wide this year. Blooms are small and that is what makes it a mini. Sweet Chariot gets 3 feet tall and 5 feet wide for us.
Dave South central Montana - zone 4/5
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Miniature roses are classified that way by the size of the bloom, not the size of the plant. A perfect example is 'Little Carol'. The blooms fit the definition of a miniature rose, but the plant can grow to over 4' tall.
Smiles, Lyn
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#3 of 6 posted
21 NOV 07 by
Cradoc
By this definition you'd class banksia roses or Kiftsgate as miniatures.
Claret Cup is more of a cluster-flowered shrub (or a floribunda) - see also Carabella, Gay Vista & Honeyflow
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Cardoc... the class of "miniature rose" applies to modern roses and not to species roses. I looked up the roses you mentioned in your post and it appears that the breeder chose to register them in different classes. Two are registered as "floribunda" roses, one is registered as a "shrub" rose and one is registered as a "miniature" rose.
Even tho' a rose may have a description that indicates that it might be a floribunda rose, if the breeder has chosen to register it as a miniature rose, then that is the classification that rules how the rose is classified.
Smiles, Lyn
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#5 of 6 posted
21 NOV 07 by
digger
I only classify our seedlings and we don't register or sell them. I was merely pointing out that some miniature roses get large. Bloom size is the mini part of them. Convince the breeder to change the classification if it bothers you that much.
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The American Rose Society classifies larger roses with smaller blooms as miniatures. The buying public often won't. The ARS establised the classification criteria. You can't fault the breeder for utilizing the established criteria to classify his/her rose.
From my experience, the buying public will accept a taller plant with smaller blooms as a miniature because it's most often the smaller flower they are buying when they order a "mini". Very often, when a breeder gives the classification, the ARS changes it. If you bought a multiflora or wichuraiana climber with small flowers as a miniature, you'd condemn the breeder/introducer for misleading you. Even shrubs with small flowers are criticized for not being what they've been classified as.
These arbritrary classes are most useful for those who aren't sufficiently familiar with roses to make their own choices based upon their judgement. Once you are familiar, you can often browse the parentage and description to make your own choice, most often with acceptable results.
Get used to it, the flower size determines the miniature classification. Larger roses with smaller blooms won't make it in the market because "the blooms are too small". Larger minis with flowers in the expected size range have been successful for years. Look at Minnie Pearl for just one example. She's not a "climber", yet she is often seven feet tall locally, and she still sells.
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