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'Gardenia' rose Reviews & Comments
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Is it possible for someone to add the photo of ‘Gardenia’ from The American Florist (Vol 13, part 2) page 1505, July 23, 1898 please? (Sorry, I just don’t know how to do this.) This b/w photo is showing a dark centre which could be a mass of stamens (and not a mass of petals as in my rose).
Daniel From Normandy, I will be watching my ‘Gardenia’ this summer for any repeat flowering.
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9 NOV 23 by
 jedmar
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Bonjour,
'Gardenia' (Horvath) est souvent confondu avec 'Fernand Tanne' (Tanne). Je me souviens d'être dans le jardin de roses de Peter Beales en présence de Fred Boutin de Californie, discutant devant un magnifique rosier en forme de dôme étiqueté 'Gardenia'. Nous arrivâment à la conclusion partagée qu'il s'agissait plutôt de 'Fernand Tanne'. Nous en fîmes part à Peter qui se fâcha affirmant qu'il était sûr du nom de 'Gardenia', nom qui lui avait été définitivement validé par GS Thomas.
Je vois dans la présentation faite ici de 'Gardenia' que les fleurs ont 30 ou 26 à 40 pétales, mais je n'ai pas trouvé l'origine de ces chiffres dans les références. D'autre part, il n'est pas précisé si ce rosier est remontant ou non. Au vu des références peut-on conclure que 'Gardenia' n'est pas (ou très peu) remontant ?
Le rosier que je cultive sous le nom de 'Fernand Tanne' a des fleurs de 60 à 110 pétales et est très remontant. Ces deux critères suffiraient à les différencier...
Cordialement,
Daniel
Hello,
Gardenia' (Horvath) is often confused with 'Fernand Tanne' (Tanne). I remember being in Peter Beales' rose garden with Fred Boutin from California, discussing a beautiful domed rose labelled 'Gardenia'. We came to the shared conclusion that it was 'Fernand Tanne'. We mentioned this to Peter, who became angry and said that he was sure of the name 'Gardenia', which had been definitively validated for him by GS Thomas.
I see from the presentation of 'Gardenia' here that the flowers have 30 or 26 to 40 petals, but I have not found the origin of these numbers in the references. Also, it is not stated whether this rose is a remontant or not. Can we conclude from the references that 'Gardenia' is not (or only slightly) repeat flowering?
The rose I grow as 'Fernand Tanne' has flowers of 60 to 110 petals and is very repeat flowering. These two criteria would be enough to differentiate them...
Yours sincerely
Daniel
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
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25 MAR 23 by
jedmar
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Thank you for this clarification. The petal number of 'Gardenia' was possibly derived from the cultivars in commerce. The references do not specify, except one with 12 petals, which seems low.
We added several further references to 'Gardenia' and 'Fernand Tanne', and a note regarding the confusion in commerce.
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Available from - Freedom Gardens
http://www.combinedroselist.com/freedom-gardens.html
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Thank you so much Jedmar for your pictures of ‘Gardenia’. I certainly did appreciate them. I grow the same ‘Gardenia’ (provenance Zephyr Brook 7-17, 1999) but I have struggled over it for years because there was such confusion in the literature. I had actually thought it may be ‘Fernand Tanne’ but am now happy to reinstate the name of ‘Gardenia’. There is confusion in Australia and New Zealand with a semi-double rose - which looks like Alister Clark’s ‘Milkmaid’. However, the lookalike sets no hips, or very few, and Alister Clark’s “sets quantities of [orange] seed pods in winter.” This rose, Manda’s ‘Gardenia’ set plum or purple hips for me in the first few years, but I have not particularly noticed hips recently.
I find it interesting that Jersey Beauty and Gardenia had the same parents, breeder and birth date: (same seed pod?) ‘Jersey Beauty’ for me sets round red hips and Manda’s ‘Gardenia’ once set purple hips. There is no evidence this morning of ‘Gardenia’s' hips. (And by the way, a spring garden which has just been rained on and viewed in early morning with dressing gown hoicked up around the legs, is an especially beautiful thing.) There is an early reference which refers to ‘Gardenia’ “incurving towards evening to perfect imitation of [ the] Gardenia” and I look forward to this year’s flowering to observe.
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