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'Pat Austin ™' rose Reviews & Comments
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25 FEB 04 by
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All of the Pat Austin roses that I have seen, the flower heads droop. Is that typical?
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Yes most of the Pat Austins have a tendency to bend over with the weight of the flowers.
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#2 of 7 posted
25 FEB 04 by
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I don't know if it's typical, but mine droop, too. The stem close to the flower is rather small to give the larger sized blooms support. However, they look very nice in a vase and the colr os unique.
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#3 of 7 posted
25 FEB 04 by
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Pat Austin blooms droop when the plant is still young. Everything I've read about this rose says that as the bush matures, the blooms will be more upright. Mine is entering its third year in my garden and is getting stronger and stronger.
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Almost all large flowered English David Austin Roses have this "drooping" quality to the bush. After 5 years you will see a noticeable improvement, particularly to Pay Austin as she becomes more upright in nature and stonger in vigour.
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#5 of 7 posted
30 SEP 04 by
Anonymous-797
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I think part of the explanation is the tea-noisette genetic inheritance particularly throughthe parent Graham Thomas. Many of the English Roses get pretty big especially in the southern U.S., so if you can place the rose near a wall or vertical surface the flowers will nod down at you. I like this. Jacquemon
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Pat Austin plays around in water puddles in my climate. It is more than just droopy. Jude The obscure and Golden Celebration are upright with some droop in this PNW climate. Pat Austin, on the other hand... c r a w l s ...all over the ground.
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8 FEB 21 by
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the flower is 7-8cm in size, with round petals forming nicely in good order(like Gold Celebration), the color is apricot.
I think the flower endures better than most Austins, it lasts on stem around 5 days. but the color does fade.
the shrub is small in size , and most flowers face to the ground , with makes you hard to appreciate the flowers.
It likes to flower, like most austin shrub roses.
the fragrance is only mild, with tea scent. As I am a fragrance lover, i won't keep it(send it to my friends)
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In the hot CA sun, Pat faded to a most unattractive pink color. Yuck. Weak necks and small shrub as you say and constant bloom, its' one virtue, IMO. I discarded mine after the first season because I couldn't stand looking at the faded pink.
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#2 of 3 posted
9 DEC 18 by
jeffbee
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strange that i haven't seen the pink tone in Pat yet,it's just pale apricot(not orange), maybe due to the cold here(it's winter now, about 5 degree Celsius). IMO, Austin company is really boasting the fragrance of some of its productions.
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Where I lived in CA it got very hot and dry in summer and many roses faded in the bright sun. PA might show better color in a more temperate climate.
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8 FEB 16
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#1 of 8 posted
8 FEB 16 by
 Jay-Jay
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In colder climates the colours don't fade that fast...
In my opinion You're a bit harsh in Your comment on most of the Austins, but on the other hand, I tend to agree, that a lot are a bit disappointing in "normal" garden-conditions.
But in our climate and on our soil a few do behave very well:
- 'A Shropshire Lad', (The healthiest and very best performing)
- 'Lady of Shallot',
- 'Sharifa Asma' and
- 'Molineux'.
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#2 of 8 posted
8 FEB 16 by
Benaminh
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I didn't dismiss ALL the Austins, there are several that I can't live without. However, I'm tired of his marketing campaign and hype. Good older varieties are no longer propagated in favor of new inferior ones, and quite honestly, after all these decades of rose culture and observation, 75% of all his releases are crap for California. I grow roses in western sunset zone #15 clay & #23 sandy loam, both with long growing seasons and some ocean influence -- it's easy to grow plants here. Disregarding Austins' monstrous vegetative growth and disease susceptibility (which has slowly improved each generation), my absolute pet peeve with them is their inability to hold on to their color. His firm has marketed it as a charming feature of English roses. Absolute rubbish. It's a major fault in my book when all his bloody roses fade within a day or two into dirty muddled spotted dishrag shades. No thanks! The quality of his shrubs just can't compare to Kordes.
Yet despite their issues, here is my list of favorite Austins, in my mind their pros outweigh their cons and I will always have them in my garden. Mind you, this list was whittled down through the years after having wasted my resources on other mediocre Austins.
1) Troilus [AUSoil] ...weak vigor, great big flowers
2) Tradescant[AUSdir] ...inconsistent growth, small flowers, good color
3) The Squire ®[AUSquire] ...disease prone, best flowers of all DA's reds
4) The Prince ®[AUSvelvet] ...ungainly growth, good color but blooms burn
5) Spirit Of Freedom[AUSbite] ...good color & form, but flowers sometimes ball
6) St. Cecilia ®[AUSmit] ...blackspot, great form & 2nd best fragrance
7) Scepter'd Isle [AUSland] ...great plant, wish later flower quality was as good as first flush
8) Pretty Jessica [AUSjess] ...small well behaved plant, medium pink color somewhat boring
9) Geoff Hamilton[AUSham] ...small flowers but great improvement over Heritage
10) Fair Bianca ®[AUSca] ...weak vigor & blackspots, but best fragrance of all Austins. Fair Bianca & Felicite Parmentier are my two top favorite rose scents in rosedom.
11) Emily (1992)[AUSburton] ... pretty but difficult to find, very short flower stems
12) Chaucer[AUScer] ...blackspot, nice flowers & pure "myrrh" scent
13) Charles Rennie Mackintosh[AUSren] ...small plant & blackspots, but great flowers & color
14) Charles Darwin [AUSpeet] ...nice mustard yellow, but color fades too fast & borderline rancid fragrance
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#3 of 8 posted
8 FEB 16 by
Jay-Jay
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Thank You for Your most appreciated extensive explanation/clarification.
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Benaminh: Really appreciate your taking the time to list which Austin performs best for your soil climate. Which roses in your list are grafted on Dr. Huey, and which ones are own-roots? Thanks in advance.
Regarding what you wrote: " I grow roses in western sunset zone #15 clay & #23 sandy loam." which roses grew in clay, and which ones in sandy loam?? I bought St. Cecelia as own-root and it died this past zone 5a winter in heavy clay, I suspect St. Cecelia prefers sandy loam, and its roots can't handle my gluey & wet clay.
Thank you for any help, it's good to know what type of soil (clay, loam, sandy) is best for which own-root. The pH doesn't matter, since I have acidic rain, as well as alkaline tap water at pH 9 (I can easily fix my tap water with acid-fertilizer).
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Thank you, Benaminh for a wonderful detailed write-up on Austins. Also Thank you, Jay-jay for your list of Austins. ALL MY 23 VARIETIES of AUSTINS ARE OWN-ROOTS. In my heavy alkaline clay, pH 7.7, own-root Pat Austin loves my wet alkaline clay & partial shade garden. Other excellent bloomers and very healthy OWN-ROOT Austins in my heavy clay, zone 5a: Crown Princess Magareta, Evelyn, Wise Portia, Radio Times, Golden Celebration, Lilian Austin, Mary Magdalene, Queen of Sweden (very healthy), Scepter'd Isle, W.S. 2000, Munstead Wood, and Christopher Marlowe. My garden is organic, no spray. Sharifa Asma is small & healthy & blooms well as own-root.
The WORST performers as OWN-ROOT in my heavy clay are: Eglantyne and Jude the Obscure. Both died in winter. I tried Jude the 4th time, and succeeded by making the soil loamy & fluffier. OWN-ROOT St. Cecilia and William Morris were wimpy even in potting soil, then died later in my clay through the winter. I suspect St. Cecilia and William Morris prefer loamy/sandy soil.
Own-root Charles Darwin didn't like full-sun & stingy so I gave that away. Lady of Shalott as own-root gave only 3 blooms the 1st year, and BIG IMPROVEMENT in 2nd year, with 10+ buds for spring flush. Pat Austin blooms best as own-root in my alkaline clay, fantastic mango and nectarine scent, with glossy & healthy foliage. I started buying own-root Austin in 2011, so they range from 7 to 2 year-old and newly bought in 2017 are: The Squire, The Dark Lady, James Galway.
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Thanks, Jay-jay, for your list recommending A.S.L, Lady of Shalott, Sharifa Asma, and Molineux. I tried to buy Molineux this year, but nursery is out. Very happy with Lady of Shalott and Sharifa Asma as OWN-ROOTS ... both are drought-tolerant & healthy & bloom well in my alkaline clay.
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#9 of 8 posted
11 AUG 17 by
Jay-Jay
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'Pat Austin' behaved the same way for me in inland CA, except the color faded to a nasty pink and the comparison I would make cannot be mentioned here. I did very much like Golden Celebration, which did hold its' color. As for Geoff Hamilton, I never saw a blossom on it.
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#5 of 8 posted
9 FEB 16 by
Benaminh
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For some reason my initial post got deleted:
Pat Austin in Southern California is stingy with flowers. The beautiful bright colors last almost a day before fading to dirty dishrag Manila yellow. On the second or third day the bloom shatters to nothing. The flower shape isn't even that pretty. The fragrance is insipid, in fact everything about this rose is disappointing and forgettable. Perhaps better suited to a depressing overcast climate, I cannot recommend this rose for locations with 75+F daytime temperatures, even if given afternoon shade. The only half decent rose of David Austin's five releases in 1995 is Jude The Obscure. The other four are complete duds and a waste of money, they should be considered obsolete and boycotted towards extinction.
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