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'Full Sail' rose Reviews & Comments
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15 FEB 23 by
 pminor
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My full sail has been very healthy here in marin county. Alas the huge blooms ball in the coastal fog of spring and fall. But the most difficult for me is that pruning back even a third leads to cane death back to the graft. No one else has mentioned this but it has been frustrating to me. Big healthy canes that just die back when pruned. Thus i havent pruned in couple of years but now i must. Anyone have any suggestions?
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Most dissapointing addition to the garden, probably the worst of 120 varieties I planted this year. Seems to have a really difficult time with hot weather, growth isn’t even ‘half mast, much less Full Sail. For the last few months , Full Sail has only been able to produce the tiniest of poorly formed leaves on the thinnest of stems, and no blooms. This is in contrast to the spring foliage which is huge glossy and healthy. I have PJPII next to Full Sail, and PJP is on its 3rd flush full of huge lush gorgeous white blooms. I will probably replace Full Sail with another PJP or Bolero, which both do terrific here (inland hot/dry NorCal).
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Yes, poor heat tolerance IS a problem with 'New Zealand', and sadly some of it's offspring.
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Not to mention that lighter sports of a rose that was originally darker are almost always less vigorous than the original. I am no geneticist, but it seems that whatever it is that lightens the color also lightens the vigor of the rose in general.
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Thank you. I had heard about New Zealand’s offspring being heat intolerant, but since this variety was so popular at the local nursery I had hoped the variety bucked the trend. I guess perhaps they might just have had a big production overrun and landed all the extra plants in my area. I do have Neil Diamond, second generation New Zealand offspring through Rock&Roll that has performed extremely well in hot humid Texas and hot dry inland California.
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Updated information:
Definitely less vigorous than its parent.
Badly prone to balling.
Prone to defoliation.
Negligible scent.
On probation (Sword of Damocles version).
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Updated again - September 10th: After looking like rubbish most of winter, this thing is now going bonkers lush for spring. Lots of healthy, shiny, rich green foliage. So far, anyway. No idea what will happen once the wet season hits, but at least it's putting on good growth now, which has to be an advantage.
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Mine is settling in, but I've already noticed that it is more prone to blackspot than the parent. New Zealand's foliage is clean so far, without any spraying. Full Sail's is getting a tad too "HT" for my liking. I am very much over that look these days.
This may be due to the rootstock. New Zealand is on multiflora. Full Sail is on Dr. Huey. I am already contemplating taking some cuttings of Full Sail to try on their own roots. I don't think it will ultimately be worth keeping on Huey in this area, unless you either like spraying or like diseased yellowing foliage. I don't like either.
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Is no one in Australia experimenting with rootstalks that might be appropriate for Australian conditions?
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Yes. Different rootstocks are used by different nurseries in different parts of the country, but Full Sail was only available to me on Huey. It seems to be the most commonly used rootstock in states other than Western Australia, but at this stage it doesn't appear to be suitable for conditions in my area.
This is interesting to me, because it has also got me wondering if Mister Lincoln, Meilland's Peace, and Soeur Emmanuelle might be more disease-resistant here on their own roots. The examples I have at the moment are probably on Huey (not sure, but probably) and may be worth trying as own-root.
I also have a young Rosette Delizy on Huey, and that seems to be fine for disease. Then again it's a Tea, and those are usually much stronger than the modern HT's.
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Dr Huey is used mainly in South Australia, as the Adelaide plains have alkaline soil; multiflora is used by a Hills-based nursery, where the soil is acid. The eastern states and Tasmania mainly use forms of multiflora. Fortuneana is used in WA because Perth has sandy soil; but it may not be ideal for the hills around Perth. Backyard growers for hardware chains are unpredictable - one apparently uses R indica major (Fun Jwan Lo), which major nurseries gave up on some time ago. And all of them will sucker.
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This Full Sail came from Swane's, just outside Sydney. I purchased it from GreenE, but they had sourced it from Swane's, which is just down the road from them. Point being that apparently Swane's relies on Huey despite not being in South Oz. I can't remember what the soil around Galston is like. Haven't been there for donkey's years.
Incidentally the plant itself seems to be going quite well. It's not weak or anything like that. It's just spottier than I'd like it to be. I suppose I could try liming it.
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I remembered something I'd read here yonks ago, so went and found it.
http://www.helpmefind.com/peony/pl.php?n=10939&tab=32
Tessie's comment under Discussion id 71-434:
"...Both the water and soil here are alkaline too. In addition, roses grafted on multiflora or with lots of multiflora genes also flourish..."
Just to further confuse the issue with regard to rootstocks.
Edit: Come to think of it, R. multiflora's natural habitat includes coastal sand dunes, with accompanying salt, which are about as far from acidic clay or loam as you're likely to get.
Edit again: Was actually thinking of rugosa there, not multiflora, so not really relevant.
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I'd rather have everything non-suckering on its own roots. But almost the only HTs I grow are old survivors.
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Yeah I'm keen on trying some on their own roots. They're plants. It should work.
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