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'La Belle Sultane' rose Reviews & Comments
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I have found this rose to sucker aggressively, even though it is growing in rather dense shade for a rose. This year it also is showing some yellowing foliage and some die-back. Maybe the shade has gotten to dense over the years. It always blooms nicely in May. Now it is setting hips. I wonder why it has no descendants.
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12 AUG 22 by
Mervey
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Hi, About 20 years ago I got 1 stem with almost no root from a very, very, very old plant and it has grown as hell and suckered too. Today I have 2 big compact plants with suckers almost everywhere around. No much care, almost "wild" and they bloom well in May too, I got 6 red hips and I asked in the forum section if this rose has descendants and if someone would be willing to try to grow them (with no guarantee of any success). Margaret Furness replied me that 'La Belle Sultane' actually has descendants. As a premium member, you can go to the "Lineage" tab to find the descendants. Greetings !
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Have a look at the second part of heritagerosesdotorgdotau/articles/rose-breeding/ (replace dot with .) to see how Warren Millington handles seed. Note that it was written for the southern hemisphere, so you'll need to change the timing.
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13 AUG 22 by
Mervey
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Thank you very much Margaret. This article is very interesting (and this blog seems to be a gold mine for learning). But I am absolutely unexperienced and I am scrared to do this especially that I have only 6 hips. This is why I "send an SOS" in the hope that an experienced person, not necessarily a professional, would be willing to help/take the process.
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I can't help from this distance. But a few points for a beginner: the hip contains a growth inhibitor, so you have to cut into it and take the seeds out: don't plant the whole hip.
If you're going to plant in autumn, or if you don't have a cold winter, you'll need to put the seeds in the crisper (vegetable compartment) of your fridge for a few weeks first. One method is to put them between two damp (not wet) kitchen sponges, and put that into a sealed plastic container.
When you plant the seeds, don't use heating underneath the pot - most roses evolved in cold-winter climates.
Good luck!
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13 AUG 22 by
Mervey
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Thank you Margaret. Haha, no, you physically can't but you help otherwise. Ok, the inhibitor makes sense otherwise the seeds would grow on the mother plant itself, wouldn't they ?
What is the best periode for harvesting the hips (it's full Summer here now) ? Do I need to wait until the hips are totally red ? few already are completly dark red but the others still are green/redish.
The region where I live (Brittany) is not reputated for having regular rough winters (we benefit of the Gulf Steam passage), it's rather rainy so I will do as you say.
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Mervey, George Thomson says that if any part of the hip has ripe colouring, the seeds are ripe enough to plant. He plants in mid-winter (after putting them in the fridge).
Warren Millington says that he would harvest seeds from late summer to mid-autumn, and put the seeds in the fridge for 6 weeks.
Both of them are in areas with relatively mild winters. Maybe someone from the northern hemisphere would like to add advice.
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#7 of 8 posted
14 AUG 22 by
Mervey
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Margaret, you have a true gift for making complicated things simple and you give me courage, thank you very much :-)
I think I am going to choose Warren Millington's method, it seems to fit better to my conditions.
I won't forget to update my progress (or my failure, haha !) at time.
Big, big Thank you Margaret !
Greetings, Françoise
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´Violacea´ we have produce many hips, maybe that´s why so many different roses under this name.
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10 JUN 11 by
Naasra
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Here are some pictures of the rose 'Belle Sultane', hybrid alpina, in Sangerhausen:
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12 JUN 11 by
 jedmar
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Naasra, can you please post your photos of the Sangerhausen rose under 'Belle Sultane (hybrid alpina)', although this name might also be incorrect.
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13 JUN 11 by
Naasra
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Sorry, I didn't realise that there actually is a 'Belle Sultane', Hybrid Alpina, here on HMF. I've posted the pictures there now, so you could delete this if it is possible.
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10 JUN 11 by
Naasra
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I believe that Mahaeca and Violacea are not identical roses. At least at the Rosarium Sangerhausen, Germany, there exist serveral plants of a rose called Mahaeca, which are definitely different from Violacea.
In the Northern part of Germany, the same rose was shown to me in several gardens, where the owners told me that this is 'Violacea Major'.
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12 JUN 11 by
jedmar
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Yes, 'Maheca' was the name given to several different roses or even rose types (velvet roses). This has not been sorted out yet.
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