Someone suggest it's "Bolshoï"(MEIzuzes), but I think Bolshoi is not that red( more pinkish?), the leaves are not that glossy.(This variety is commonly called 'Caprice de Meilland' in China, but it is clearly a misnomer.)
The color is Vibrant cherry red with a velvety texture, and the back of the petals has a pearlescent or silver hue. Size is 10~12cm. When it is about to wither, its petals will turn purple tone. The fragrance is not strong. The leaves are very large and quite glossy. The plant is very upright and has good growth.
I noticed the rose "Yakimour", lookes quite alike. but the information is very limited so I still not sure about it. Does anyone know its real name?
Someone suggest it's "Bolshoï"(MEIzuzes), but I think Bolshoi is not that red( more pinkish?), the leaves are not that glossy.(This variety is commonly called 'Caprice de Meilland' in China, but it is clearly a misnomer.)
The color is Vibrant cherry red with a velvety texture, and the back of the petals has a pearlescent or silver hue. Size is 10~12cm. When it is about to wither, its petals will turn purple tone. The fragrance is not strong. The leaves are very large and quite glossy. The plant is very upright and has good growth.
I noticed the rose "Yakimour", lookes quite alike. but the information is very limited so I still not sure about it. Does anyone know its real name?
However, there is an Australian patent application for MEIzuzes (dated Oct. 2002) at http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/pdfs/plantbreed/PVJ_Vol_154.pdf (see page 57). That patent application describes a hybrid tea with a dark pink upper (RHS colour N57) and brilliant yellow reverse (RHS colours 13A and 13B), medium fragrance, blooming mostly as single flowers (not clusters), an average size of 11.423 cm (4.5 inches) and most similar to the rose in commerce known as ‘MEIgriso,’ i.e., Baronne Edmond de Rothschild. That description is also very similar to what Meilland's website shows as a picture for that rose. And the Australian patent application for MEIzuzes says that rose was granted a patent in the EU in 1997. The Australian patent application also gives the parentage of MEIzuzes as seed parent (‘MEIrigalu’ x ‘MACar’) x pollen parent ‘MEIpobil’. That would be (Colorama x Piccadilly) x Rendez-Vous.
It appears that all of the photos posted of plants grown in Europe have the MEIzuzes version of Bolchoi (i.e. with dark pink shading to red on the upper) and all of the posters in the U.S. (with the possible exception of Cliff and Katherine) have the MEIruchka version of Bolchoi (i.e. with the orange-red upper). Perhaps Cliff and/or Katherine imported theirs from Europe?
I did indeed import mine from Europe, and I'm delighted that you've taken the time to research this issue as it has been clear that there are errors here and that we need to separate the varieties. Thanks very much!
Where do you see the ARS referring to a floribunda? If memory serves me, I too saw that at some time in the past, but the only Bolchoi that the MR12 database now has is for Meizuzes, and it is listed as a hybrid tea.
The only place I saw it as a floribunda is in the References section for this HMF tab. That's what I was referring to. Thank you for the info about MR12 -- I don't have access to that.
I'm fairly sure that it was listed somewhere in an ARS publication as a floribunda, but that seems to have been resolved. We'll be making corrections/separating these two on HMF.
