This rose is stunningly beautiful three weeks out of the year. It does not have repeat blooms. I would say it is the location, which has some shade, but there is an EVS across the street in full sun that has the same habit. It's very pretty when it blooms, and the fragrance is par none. Also -- the blooms are so soft that I love to rub my face against them. They feel wonderful! I don't prune or at most (in winter) prune lightly, it gets lots of food and water... not sure if this once-a-year bloom is expected behavior or not. I had potted it originally but it's been in the ground for three to five years.
This EVS (if that's what it is!) came from Russian River Rose Company, in Healdsburg CA. I would bet the EVS (or EVS imposter) that is across the street -- actually two plants, over an arch -- came from RRRC as well. My plant is currently about 4.5 feet high and about 7 feet wide, supported by a small trellis. I posted a photo to the gallery yesterday. I have been meaning to visit RRRC, which is about 15 minutes north of my home, to buy a couple more roses for my garden, and when I do, I will ask them about the habits of their EVS in their display garden.
Edit: I just checked the list of roses for the display garden for RRRC, and EVS is marked with two asterisks, meaning a "reliable repeat." I'll still ask them directly, to find out what that means. Perhaps I, and my neighbor with the EVS, are not giving EVS what it needs. I give mine lots of water (it's on the same line as a veggie bed) and feed it several times a year.
Almost everything you say about a rose called Excellenz von Schubert is wrong! It is a purple Hybrid Musk, with a delicious heavy scent, not a deep pink Polyantha with no to mild fragrance. Gregg Lowery says: Long clusters of small, full, grape-purple to crimson flowers, sweetly scented, on a plant of moderate growth with burnished, olive-green foliage. A Lambertina of exceptional quality; the bright panicles of bloom make quite a show in the garden. He gives it four r's for repeat bloom, and three f's for fragrance, and lists it among the Hybrid Musks.
I grow both, Margaret. I have 4 plants of the mauvey, scented, red-caned rose that has pompon-type blooms (sold as EVS). I have only one plant of the pink rose that grows like a floribunda (sold as GOL).
Would you say that EVS has more cupped blooms as opposed to GOL that never has cupped but more flat? I am trying to figure out what I have, the blooms don’t really look like EVS (are not cupped) and are definitely pink, not mauve/purple or lilac. It’s hard to figure out from pics of these two since it seems like both EVS and GOL have both roses mixed up in pics (I read the discussion on the fact that some nurseries sell them as the other). I bought mine at Antique Rose Emporium if that helps.
I have added some photos of EVS and GOL as they are sold in Europe. The blooms of EVS are mauve-pink, full, rounded, in medium-sized clusters. GOL's blooms are pink, double, in large clusters, which are sometimes pyramidal.
Hi, I have just recently posted two photos of Excellenz von Schubert. It has a growth habit of just over a metre, however it has been pruned heavily in the past. I see in the other HMF photos some references that suggest this lighter pink with less petals, rose has been "sold as" Excellenz von Schubert etc. I was wondering if it is Excellenze von Schubert or a completely different rose? Any feed back is greatly appreciated.
Frim your photo, i would guess that your rose is a semi-double. It might be helpful to count the petals on a few individual blooms sometime. Perhaps your rose may not be ‘Excellence von Schubert’ because the earliest reference (1909-93) said the flowers of ‘Excellence von Schubert’ were the size and structure of the carmine pink ‘Gloire des Polyanthas’. That (GdP) was a double flower.
It is more likely that your rose, and probably most in Australia, may be ‘Gartendirektor Otto Linne’ but we really need more information on this rose. HelpMeFind at the moment are listing it as double. The 1936 Hazlewood reference is of interest - did they import something else? Look closely at the foliage. ‘Gartendirektor Otto Linne’s offspring, bred by Riethmuller: ‘Carabella’ and ‘Honeyflow’ and ‘Gay Vista’ have the same leaves as shown in Eric Timewells photo of the ‘GOL’ plant from Trewallyn Nursery.
A little more on others in Australia. Please see my photo captioned “ROSE SOLD IN AUSTRALIA AS 'Excellenz von Schubert' accompanying an article written by Merv Trimper in the May, 2001 'Your Garden' magazine. The semi-double rose pictured, may (or may not be) 'Gartendirektor Otto Linne'. It does not appear to be the double 'Excellenz von Schubert' as grown in America.”
I received a cutting from a friend of Merv Trimper’s rose in 2013. This was planted at Ult-half-N-67 and is the same as the photo, mentioned above, with lots of white streaks. I have wondered if it is infected with petal fleck disease. However, as I believe petal fleck is only transmitted by cuttings, I have never worried about it in my garden, just never shared it around. . (To play it safe however I have never deadheaded it and, Margaret Furness, you asked once about hips and this plant is setting hips.) Margaret Furness’ photo of Thomas for Roses ‘Excellence von Schubert, appears to be the same rose.
This bush and bloom is exactly the same as the one which came as Excellence von Schubert’ from Ken McAlpine-1; Wal Johnson-2; (without the white fleck) in the same 2013 year and planted at Ult-half-S-57.
So, two identical semi-double roses planted with three metres of each other, both named ‘Excellence von Schubert’ No. 67 with white streaks, and No 57 without. There is some repeat on both bushes.
I will be revisiting the gardens as soon as it cools down to have a closer look and take more photos. This particular section was replanted after the 2004 garden revamp due to a soil pathogen issue. It is possible another rose was planted and the records not changed or that the rose delivered was incorrect.
It was your post about 'Gartendirektor Otto Linne' that caught my attention about this rose. I will look into the other roses you mentioned and the Trewallyn Nurseryas well.
