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'The Queen Alexandra Rose' Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 131-518
most recent 30 MAY SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 2 FEB 22 by Boronkay (Rose Garden Budatétény)
Origin is unknown. Why?
According to Sean Jennett, Sam McGredy (in References) "Grandfather bred it from the' Austrian Copper', and this is an interesting series to follow through."
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 2 FEB 22 by Patricia Routley
Thank you Boronkay. It is great to have your help - parentage now added.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 29 MAY by Michael Garhart
One of the most important roses genetically in modern rose history and we don't have a clue what its bred from. I imagine its from a R. foetida bicolor hybrid rather than R. foetida becolor itself, but there is no way to prove this without the plant itself and something to test it genetically. So, it is what it is, and stays as its stated in written history. Sucks, but that's how it is I guess.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 30 MAY by HubertG
'Fiesta' from 1940 is supposed to be a sport of 'The Queen Alexandra' and might still be available since there are relatively recent photos here. Whether it is the correct variety or not is another matter.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 30 MAY by Michael Garhart
That would be enough, yeah. Good thinkin'.
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Discussion id : 72-866
most recent 19 FEB 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 10 JUL 13 by goncmg
Holy Grail. Want it. Please someone tell me they have it somewhere..........
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Reply #1 of 25 posted 16 FEB 15 by styrax
It's in Italy, maybe. I would like it too....
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Reply #2 of 25 posted 16 FEB 15 by Patricia Routley
One garden in the world is not enough.
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Reply #3 of 25 posted 16 FEB 15 by styrax
No, indeed it is not. Why I wonder it went almost extinct?
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Reply #4 of 25 posted 16 FEB 15 by Patricia Routley
Sam McGredy IV in his 1971 reference says it now seems "rather scruffy"
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Reply #5 of 25 posted 16 FEB 15 by styrax
It would be a shame if it really was true. Wasn't he the one who almost trow away a rose his wife liked, which became the most popular of his creations? In that case, I might not trust his judgment, lol
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Reply #6 of 25 posted 17 FEB 15 by Patricia Routley
No, that was Sam the third with 'Mrs. Sam McGredy' 1929. Interestingly 'The Queen Alexandra Rose' was in its parentage. So - scruffy or not - it seems 'The Queen Alexandra Rose' carries genes to produce superb roses.
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Reply #7 of 25 posted 18 FEB 15 by Jay-Jay
One might contact Nursery De Bierkreek. They are in constant contact with this garden and already multiplied lots of its treasures! (see: http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=21.138355)
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Reply #8 of 25 posted 18 FEB 15 by styrax
!

I wanted to order form Bierkreek for a long time, they have Lens hybrids lost in N America and some of Kim Rupert's best hybrids. However, importing is a pain...
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Reply #9 of 25 posted 18 FEB 15 by Jay-Jay
I know, but at least this rose would then be propagated, planted on several locations (in Europe) and not get lost. If one would like to import this particular-one, it might be an idea to share the costs with other interested rose-lovers/nurseries.
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Reply #10 of 25 posted 18 FEB 15 by styrax
Indeed. I will look into it
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Reply #11 of 25 posted 19 FEB 15 by Kim Rupert
Fiesta is the striped sport of The Queen Alexandra Rose and has been commercially available in the US in recent memory. It REQUIRES budding, particularly in difficult conditions. Even on vigorous roots, by Twenty-First Century standards, it is NOT a "good garden rose". Viewed through eyes of its time, it (Queen Alexandra) was quite the break through. Just as early television was in its place in history. But I doubt many, if any of us, would want to go back to watching one of the original types today compared to what is so easily available. The same with earlier roses. They CAN be beautiful and they may figure into more modern types, but they are seldom great in their own rights.
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Reply #12 of 25 posted 19 FEB 15 by styrax
So they went extinct for good reason. (Rose evolution!)

But would you pool the expense of importing roses? After all, they do have Pink Mystery (among others) over there...
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Reply #13 of 25 posted 19 FEB 15 by Jay-Jay
Over there... and in my garden. Lens Nursery propagated that rose, when I asked them.
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Reply #14 of 25 posted 19 FEB 15 by Kim Rupert
And, I am glad you have it, Jay Jay! Thank you for pushing for it.
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Reply #15 of 25 posted 19 FEB 15 by Kim Rupert
The effort and expense may be worth it for someone, but not for me. In the "good old days" when the process worked as it was designed to work, it was fun and interesting. And, it cost a WHOLE LOT LESS than it does today. Perhaps if you were importing a large collection and your point of entry wasn't a high security entry point so you could be allowed to walk your packages through the process, the costs per plant would be acceptable. Here, that wasn't the case. For a maximum of ten plants, all from the same originating nursery, the fees alone, just to get them through my point of entry, would have run nearly four times the cost of the plants and shipping.
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Reply #16 of 25 posted 19 FEB 15 by styrax
Heehee, US customs is tougher now than the Iron Curtain! lol
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Reply #17 of 25 posted 19 FEB 15 by styrax
I will look into imports. Hopefully the nearest entry point for me is easier.

EDIT:
Holy poop! Just a cursory glance reveals a never-hole of fees and bureaucratic red tape.
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Reply #18 of 25 posted 19 FEB 15 by Kim Rupert
Welcome to post NSA America. BTW, you may want to edit your expletive. The lion's share of fees are the overtime wages you must pay a USDA employee to walk your parcel through the process. Being in New York, I doubt your entry point would be any less busy or high security than mine (LAX). IF the red tape prevents the next waves of terrible pathogens and pests, it will be worth it. Reportedly, the Asian Citrus Psyllid which can kill citrus trees through Citrus Greening, hitched a ride on smuggled citrus one CA hobbyist simply would not live without. Thanks to him, the US citrus industry now has one more potentially lethal threat.
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Reply #19 of 25 posted 19 FEB 15 by styrax
:/ Sucks. I guess you could, like embedd budwood or seeds in a book jacket (I remember a Latvian who snuck bulbs that to trick Soviet customs in copies of Das Kapital) or hide it in a meaty sandwich. But imagine- someone gets arrested "grand mal" for trying to smuggle a few cm^2 of live plant matter or seeds...

Found his website: http://rarebulbs.lv/index.php/en/catalogue.
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Reply #20 of 25 posted 19 FEB 15 by Kim Rupert
Yup, something like $20K PER PLANT. I can think of a ton of ways to blow $20K a whole lot better than paying any kind of fines!
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Reply #21 of 25 posted 19 FEB 15 by styrax
Buying about 800 roses from a US nursery would be the best way, lol! :P
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Reply #22 of 25 posted 19 FEB 15 by Kim Rupert
Or, four hundred and hiring people to install them for you!
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Reply #23 of 25 posted 19 FEB 15 by styrax
Or 200 custom-grafted roses!
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Reply #24 of 25 posted 19 FEB 15 by goncmg
#1) It is likely extinct #2) Taking emotions OUT, it deserves to be #3) If by SOME minor chance it IS alive in Italy then it would take so much covert effort to get it "back" to the US the effort and the $$ is not worth it
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Reply #25 of 25 posted 19 FEB 15 by styrax
Yes.
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Discussion id : 6-418
most recent 15 JUN 04 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 15 JUN 04 by David Elliott
The Queen Alexandra Rose, there is a colour photo of this rose in The Rose Annual 1920, ((Royal) National Rose Society) and a description in the 1918 issue.
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