You are very kind. Thank you for doing that Jedmar.
The complexity of the various references brings home to me that none of us are botanists. Me especially - I am just an old lady gardener.

I recall once, was it Karl? who said that a bush can produce prickles at will, and I have certainly seen this type of behaviour on the odd rose or two in my own garden. Simplifying the names here, I am wondering if R. virginiana / R. lucida also does this from time to time. I didn’t note the hip prickles on my bush for many years until I photographed it, but perhaps I didn’t look closely enough in the early years.

I note that Rossig’s 1801 illustrations show
R. virginiana: a smooth (a little pointed towards the base) hip
R. lucida: a prickly (globular) hip.
Yet in his text he writes of
R. virginiana: “Ovary almost globular, slightly bristly”.
R. lucida: “a Globular, flattened ovary”. (No mention of bristles)

The 1817 reference is a little confusing to me as Thory has written of R. lucida having “Receptacles and pedicels armed with reddish glandular hairs” and “heps depressed globose red”. I can discern the hairs on the top bud in the illustration, but only with a magnifying glass. Knowing that the receptacle is the early stage, from which the hip is formed much later, I can only note that Redoute has drawn a very smooth hip.

In the 1817 reference Thory mentions that the R. lucida blooms do not last for more than several hours. In my 2013 reference I had noted “They seem to have come and gone before I can get the camera out.” I am going to add to my own records the possibility that my rose may be R. Lucida. But I really do not have the knowledge to do more than that. I do notice you pouring in the early references for this rose, and I thank you for your dedication and sharing.