'Excellenz von Schubert' rose reviews and comments

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'Excellenz von Schubert' rose Reviews & Comments

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Discussion id : 170-693 most recent 12 FEB HIDE POSTS

Initial post 12 FEB by HMF supporting member

kgs

This rose is stunningly beautiful three weeks out of the year. It does not have repeat blooms. I would say it is the location, which has some shade, but there is an EVS across the street in full sun that has the same habit. It's very pretty when it blooms, and the fragrance is par none. Also -- the blooms are so soft that I love to rub my face against them. They feel wonderful! I don't prune or at most (in winter) prune lightly, it gets lots of food and water... not sure if this once-a-year bloom is expected behavior or not. I had potted it originally but it's been in the ground for three to five years.

Reply #1 of 3 posted 12 FEB by HMF supporting member

Robert Neil Rippetoe

What a lovely review. Thank you	REPLY

Reply #2 of 3 posted 12 FEB by HMF supporting member

Nastarana

Would you be willing to share the provenance of your lovely rose? It is unusual for a polyantha to be once blooming. The photo from Rosepat in 2009 shows a huge plant which the owner states does repeat throughout the season. How big does yours get?	REPLY

Reply #3 of 3 posted 12 FEB by HMF supporting member

kgs

This EVS (if that's what it is!) came from Russian River Rose Company, in Healdsburg CA. I would bet the EVS (or EVS imposter) that is across the street -- actually two plants, over an arch -- came from RRRC as well. My plant is currently about 4.5 feet high and about 7 feet wide, supported by a small trellis. I posted a photo to the gallery yesterday. I have been meaning to visit RRRC, which is about 15 minutes north of my home, to buy a couple more roses for my garden, and when I do, I will ask them about the habits of their EVS in their display garden.

Edit: I just checked the list of roses for the display garden for RRRC, and EVS is marked with two asterisks, meaning a "reliable repeat." I'll still ask them directly, to find out what that means. Perhaps I, and my neighbor with the EVS, are not giving EVS what it needs. I give mine lots of water (it's on the same line as a veggie bed) and feed it several times a year.

Discussion id : 144-965 most recent 19 MAY 23 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 19 MAY 23 by eihblin

Can this rose be grown as a climber?	REPLY

Discussion id : 44-980 most recent 16 OCT 22 SHOW ALL

Initial post 20 MAY 10 by HMF supporting member

roses257

Almost everything you say about a rose called Excellenz von Schubert is wrong! It is a purple Hybrid Musk, with a delicious heavy scent, not a deep pink Polyantha with no to mild fragrance. Gregg Lowery says: Long clusters of small, full, grape-purple to crimson flowers, sweetly scented, on a plant of moderate growth with burnished, olive-green foliage. A Lambertina of exceptional quality; the bright panicles of bloom make quite a show in the garden. He gives it four r's for repeat bloom, and three f's for fragrance, and lists it among the Hybrid Musks.

Reply #1 of 11 posted 20 MAY 10 by HMF supporting member

Margaret Furness

Reply #2 of 11 posted 20 MAY 10 by HMF supporting member

roses257

Reply #3 of 11 posted 20 MAY 10 by HMF supporting member

Cass

Reply #7 of 11 posted 21 MAY 10 by HMF supporting member

Margaret Furness

Reply #8 of 11 posted 21 MAY 10 by HMF supporting member

Cass

I grow both, Margaret. I have 4 plants of the mauvey, scented, red-caned rose that has pompon-type blooms (sold as EVS). I have only one plant of the pink rose that grows like a floribunda (sold as GOL).	REPLY

Reply #9 of 11 posted 16 OCT 22 by HMF supporting member

RoseAddict_NorthTX

Would you say that EVS has more cupped blooms as opposed to GOL that never has cupped but more flat? I am trying to figure out what I have, the blooms don’t really look like EVS (are not cupped) and are definitely pink, not mauve/purple or lilac. It’s hard to figure out from pics of these two since it seems like both EVS and GOL have both roses mixed up in pics (I read the discussion on the fact that some nurseries sell them as the other). I bought mine at Antique Rose Emporium if that helps.

Reply #10 of 11 posted 16 OCT 22 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

I have added some photos of EVS and GOL as they are sold in Europe. The blooms of EVS are mauve-pink, full, rounded, in medium-sized clusters. GOL's blooms are pink, double, in large clusters, which are sometimes pyramidal.	REPLY

Reply #11 of 11 posted 16 OCT 22 by HMF supporting member

RoseAddict_NorthTX

Thank you for adding the photos. I think mine is GOL (not EVS), don’t you think (pic posted)?	REPLY

Reply #4 of 11 posted 20 MAY 10 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

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roses257

Reply #6 of 11 posted 21 MAY 10 by HMF supporting member

RoseBlush

Discussion id : 125-188 most recent 23 JAN 21 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 22 JAN 21 by Nadene

Hi,
I have just recently posted two photos of Excellenz von Schubert. It has a growth habit of just over a metre, however it has been pruned heavily in the past. I see in the other HMF photos some references that suggest this lighter pink with less petals, rose has been "sold as" Excellenz von Schubert etc.
I was wondering if it is Excellenze von Schubert or a completely different rose?
Any feed back is greatly appreciated.

Reply #1 of 2 posted 23 JAN 21 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Frim your photo, i would guess that your rose is a semi-double. It might be helpful to count the petals on a few individual blooms sometime. Perhaps your rose may not be ‘Excellence von Schubert’ because the earliest reference (1909-93) said the flowers of ‘Excellence von Schubert’ were the size and structure of the carmine pink ‘Gloire des Polyanthas’. That (GdP) was a double flower.

It is more likely that your rose, and probably most in Australia, may be ‘Gartendirektor Otto Linne’ but we really need more information on this rose. HelpMeFind at the moment are listing it as double. The 1936 Hazlewood reference is of interest - did they import something else?
Look closely at the foliage. ‘Gartendirektor Otto Linne’s offspring, bred by Riethmuller: ‘Carabella’ and ‘Honeyflow’ and ‘Gay Vista’ have the same leaves as shown in Eric Timewells photo of the ‘GOL’ plant from Trewallyn Nursery.

A little more on others in Australia. Please see my photo captioned
“ROSE SOLD IN AUSTRALIA AS 'Excellenz von Schubert' accompanying an article written by Merv Trimper in the May, 2001 'Your Garden' magazine. The semi-double rose pictured, may (or may not be) 'Gartendirektor Otto Linne'. It does not appear to be the double 'Excellenz von Schubert' as grown in America.”

I received a cutting from a friend of Merv Trimper’s rose in 2013. This was planted at Ult-half-N-67 and is the same as the photo, mentioned above, with lots of white streaks. I have wondered if it is infected with petal fleck disease. However, as I believe petal fleck is only transmitted by cuttings, I have never worried about it in my garden, just never shared it around. . (To play it safe however I have never deadheaded it and, Margaret Furness, you asked once about hips and this plant is setting hips.) Margaret Furness’ photo of Thomas for Roses ‘Excellence von Schubert, appears to be the same rose.

This bush and bloom is exactly the same as the one which came as Excellence von Schubert’ from Ken McAlpine-1; Wal Johnson-2; (without the white fleck) in the same 2013 year and planted at Ult-half-S-57.

So, two identical semi-double roses planted with three metres of each other, both named ‘Excellence von Schubert’ No. 67 with white streaks, and No 57 without. There is some repeat on both bushes.

Reply #2 of 2 posted 23 JAN 21 by Nadene

Thanks Patricia,

I will be revisiting the gardens as soon as it cools down to have a closer look and take more photos. This particular section was replanted after the 2004 garden revamp due to a soil pathogen issue. It is possible another rose was planted and the records not changed or that the rose delivered was incorrect.

It was your post about 'Gartendirektor Otto Linne' that caught my attention about this rose. I will look into the other roses you mentioned and the Trewallyn Nurseryas well.