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Initial post
today by
MatrixKitten
Growing this beauty in the PNW area. She is truly disease-free, which is a feat in our damp climate. Her fragrance is moderate sweet. She does ball a good amount in my area, but this is only her second year in my garden. However, she does not burn in the sun! Will update next season if anything changes. My plant is grafted on multiflora and is planted in ground. She’s a beast at 8 feet high and 6 feet wide. I’m training her as a climber.
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Initial post
today by
Banshee
I'm adding some photos here that I also posted in my member garden. I'm not sure if other members can see them there. These are closeups of the foliage of my found rose.
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Initial post
yesterday by
Patricia Routley
To Luke - Canberra1913!
Dear Luke, May we all have grandsons of your calibre. I think I have Helen Traubel’, but there is a tiny doubt in my mind. I planted an own root plant in an area which later became too shaded and it has never done well. In 2024 I moved it to a pot and it is doing better now, but still a small plant. It doesn’t seem to have a weak neck.
I think my plant can donate one cutting though if you want to try it. I can wrap it in only just damp newspaper and if it callouses up, I can post it later.
But you should try to get it from others too to play it safe. (The 1986 reference says it may be hard to propagate - but I have done it once). Johno, Cheryl Moore, and Yvonne Foster - can your plants donate any wood?
Luke, I think you should remove your email address from your comment as you might regret the spam that it may attract.
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#1 of 5 posted
yesterday by
Canberra1913!
Dear Patricia,
I am so glad someone has had luck with propagating it! I have gone on two road trips from Canberra to Melbourne to pick up cuttings but unfortunately they didn't take and the mother plant there has since died.
Following that loss, I must've sent over 40 emails out to nurseries with no luck, and so I can't stress how uplifting it was to receive your message.
With all that, I wouldn't want to stress your plant, but if you could spare a cutting, I would be so incredibly grateful. I would be more than happy to post a satchel or cover any costs involved.
My grandmother was one of the first people in Australia to grow the climbing variety of the 'Helen Traubel' and it was her pride and joy - once covering a whole verandah. I know it's only a small gesture but she has done so much for me and so if I could help rekindle any of those memories, I think that would be a huge win in my book.
Please let me know if there's anything I can do and feel free to send me a private message (or any of the other contact methods I previously sent - I have removed them from the message but can resend - thanks for that!)
Kind Regards, Luke
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#2 of 5 posted
yesterday by
HubertG
Luke, I just wanted to add that Ross Roses in South Australia still has 'Helen Traubel' on their 'In Collection' list. This normally means that plants aren't currently available but can be grafted on special request. Nevertheless I'd still contact them to see if they have any loose specimens they might be able to send this winter, but if not, you can then put a special order in for next year, just in case cuttings don't work out.
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#3 of 5 posted
yesterday by
Canberra1913!
Hi Hubert! Thank you so much for your recommendation! I've been in touch with Andrew at Ross Roses and he mentioned that he might have something in 2026. However, with Gran being 93 and not feeling her best, time really is of the essence and I really do want to get her a bloom as soon as possible. It really is so lovely to have the insight and help from so many passionate gardeners on this site, I really should've started here when I started searching two years ago! Thank you so much again, Luke
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#4 of 5 posted
today by
HubertG
Luke, you're very welcome, and I understand your urgency. I really hope you get one soon.
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#5 of 5 posted
today by
Patricia Routley
Confirm with Andrew whether he has the bush or the climber. And I’ve sent you a private message on where you may be able to get some blooms next spring.
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Initial post
yesterday by
AquaEyes
The reference written by Ugo Croce from his website contains several inaccuracies that should be mentioned here for the purpose of clarity.
1) Albas are hexaploid, yes, but they have four pairs of chromosomes from Canina and two from Gallica, not the other way around as written.
2) Hybrids certainly can have more chromosomes than either parent, and interestingly, this is what happens in Albas because of the unbalanced meiosis in Canina-group species. These species are pentaploid, and ovules are tetraploid (four pairs), while pollen is haploid (one pair). If a tetraploid Gallica or Damask was the father, and a pentaploid R. canina was the mother, we'd have a hexaploid seedling. The Gallica or Damask pollen would be diploid (two pairs of chromosomes), while the Canina ovule would be tetraploid (four pairs of chromosomes). So the hybrid would have more chromosomes than either parent. Because virtually all existing Albas present as hexaploid, this is the presumed origin of the class -- Canina mom, Gallica or Damask dad. And there are numerous instances of "un-reduced gametes" in garden hybrids resulting in seedlings with more chromosomes than either parent -- certainly not the norm, but also not unknown.
3) Albas certainly show more Canina characteristics, but that's to be expected, since they are 2/3 Canina. There are some Damask traits to be found, if you look closely. For one, R. canina hips and pedicels are generally smooth, whereas most Alba hips and pedicels are bristly. If you compare the hips and pedicels of R. canina, 'Alba Semi-plena', and 'Kazanlik', you'll see the influence of the third on the second, while certainly maintaining the size and shape of the first.
4) While there certainly are diploid species from warm climates and tetraploid, pentaploid, hexaploid, and (I think) octoploid species from cold climates, it is not necessarily the case that higher ploidy always equals more cold hardiness. Some very cold hardy species used in breeding very cold hardy garden hybrids are diploid, such as R. rugosa, R. blanda, and R. setigera. What's more likely is that higher ploidy resulted from the uncommon "un-reduced gamete" phenomenon, or chromosome doubling following hybridization between two different species, as has happened with 'R. x kordesii', for example.
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~Christopher
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