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On a website called 'thegardenoxford.co.uk' is a photo of a Prima Ballerina plant label which says that this rose got the RNRS President's Trophy in 1989 and a Gold Medal from Glasgow (but it doesn't say what year). Could readers of the RNRS Annuals look into this to confirm? If true then it ought to be added to the Awards. Also elsewhere I saw the breeder's name 'TANprall'
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#1 of 2 posted
yesterday by
jedmar
According to HMF's records the 1989 PIT was won by 'Pretty Polly' of Meilland. 'Prima Ballerina' was from 1957 - 30 years after introduction seems to far for an award. Information from the Rose Annuals would be valuable.
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Yes, it doesn't make sense that PB got the PIT award 30 years after its release. Must have been a faked plant label. See the photos for Prima Ballerina at this address: www.thegardenoxford.co.uk/design-202021551/'prima-ballerina'.htm
The lower right hand photo shows the back of the plant label - please click on it to read the info.
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Would anyone growing this rose care to describe its scent? Is it citrusy, fruity/peachy, quintessentially rose, licorice-like, tea-like, clove-like, or something else? If you could compare it to other well-scented roses you grow, that would help. This is one of Fragrant Cloud's parents and the other parent (I think) was not known for its strong scent, so chances are PB is primarily responsible for FC's fragrance. OK, it might not be that simple, I guess, but is PB's scent similar to FC's?
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I am growing Prima Ballerina for the first time this year and looking forward to experiencing its scent. Although the UK Rose Locator website only gave her a 5-6 (out of 10) for fragrance, the eminent Jack L. Harkness wrote in his book 'Roses' that he would have given her a 10 along with 'Papa Meilland' and 'Lady Penzance'. His rating for 'Fragrant Cloud' was only 9 so I've got my hopes up. You see, there was a similar rose to PB which used to grow in my neighbour's garden on a wooden south-facing shed in South Norfolk, England. It was 5 feet tall and produced deep coloured pink (tinged with orange) long, slender buds which opened into perfect shell-like blooms with rolled, reflexed petals - never flattening out, not filled or cabbage-like and not wavy or ruffled and did not fade or change colour until petal drop off after about 8 days in water. Every bloom looked uniformly 'identical' and was 4 inches tall by a little under 4 inches wide so a tall 'oval' shape. They were sometimes in a small group, the 1-3 light green tiny prickled slim peduncles meeting together at 8 inch intervals along a thick diagonal large-prickled branch. It was quite an old plant. A typical hybrid tea and the foliage was fairly matte green - not glossy or bronzed. That rose only smelt quite good and fruity when I put my nose in it and sniffed but after leaving 2 blooms in a vase of water overnight - the next sunny morning it was SENSATIONAL !!! an AMAZING extremely sweet, warm fruitiness of strawberry mousse with a hint of lime. The exotic perfume filled the ground floor of our house - what a lovely greeting to start the day! It was better in a vase than 'Fragrant Cloud'- more smooth scented yet more penetrating and purer like that of the 'Special Anniversary' rose by the late Ted Smith. I've been hoping PB can be just as good as that mystery rose - anyone know who has grown PB?
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Initial post
12 days ago by
jedmar
Diese Rose sollte rot sein. Aus welcher Rosenschule stammt sie?
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#1 of 4 posted
12 days ago by
Biggi
Hallo Jedmar,
Nach meinen Unterlagen habe ich die Rose 2010 im Shop im Rosarium Sangerhausen gekauft. Die Rose selbst habe ich im Rosarium selbst nicht gesehen. Ich kann also nicht sagen, ob da nicht vielleicht Schilder vertauscht wurden. Sie blüht zuverlässig im August/September nochmal mit ein paar Blüten. Das Laube unterscheidet sich deutlich von anderen Rosen. Es ist eher ein Blaugrün. Der neue Austrieb ist rötlich.
Birgit
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#2 of 4 posted
11 days ago by
jedmar
Hallo Birgit, Ja, dann war bestimmt das Schild falsch. Um diese Zeit hatte ich einige falsch beschilderte Rosen im Shop gekauft. Später erzählte mir jemand Mitarbeiter noch von der DDR-Zeit würden das absichtlich machen, da sie gegen die Verbreitung "ihrer" Rosen seien. Inzwischen hat sich das wohl gebessert. 'James Sprunt' ist die Kletterform der 'Cramoisi Supérieur'. Klettert Deine Rose? Besten Gruss, jedmar
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#3 of 4 posted
11 days ago by
HubertG
" Später erzählte mir jemand Mitarbeiter noch von der DDR-Zeit würden das absichtlich machen, da sie gegen die Verbreitung "ihrer" Rosen seien."
Very interesting. It's the first time I've heard of anything like that. It could explain so many apparent mix-ups from them.
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#4 of 4 posted
yesterday by
Biggi
Ja sie klettert. Sie macht so Jahrestriebe von bis zu 3 bist 4 m. Im Frühjahr muss ich sie kräftig zurück scheiden, da sie eine neue Pergola braucht. Mal sehen, ob sie dann beleidigt ist.
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This rose is not even a centifolia. It is a hybrid Portland-Chinensis. See princeps description from the breeder himself who places it as an altered Portlandica (Travaux du Comice Horticole de Maine-et-Loire, N°39, 1853, p.51.)
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