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 Jax
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Brittie, Where did you get your William R. Smith from? Your photos on this site are gorgeous. I got a William R. Smith from ARE and it is Marie van Houtte I am sure. Sheila Burke
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Thanks for the detail Darrell. Would you look at the photos of our found rose "Loveday", please, as it looks like a good match. It's so easy to dismiss every pink rambler as the ubiquitous Dorothy P.
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Rose Listing Omission
Cepheus
From Highgarden Roses website (https://highgardenroses.com/collections/new-arrival/products/cepheus-french-florist-shrub-rose):
Cepheus French Florist Shrub Rose
This stunning pink shrub rose features large, full flowers with serrated petals. Its light pink outer petals contrast elegantly with the deeper pink center, and it releases a sweet, fruity fragrance. Blooming beautifully throughout the seasons, it's a delightful addition to any garden.
Color: Deep pink
Fragrance: Strong, fruity
Bloom form: Cupped
Bloom size: 4"-6"
Repeat bloomer: Yes
Shrub size: 2 1/2'-3 1/3'
Suitable for zones: 5-10
Origin: France
Breeder: Meilland
Year of introduction: 2012
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#1 of 9 posted
10 JAN by
jedmar
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This nursery is not listed on HelpMeFind. There is very little information on the web about them, except as being located in the Portland, Oregon area.
'Cepheus' as a Meilland trade name is unknown. Maybe someone from Meilland can comment?
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If anyone here is a customer of Portland Roses, maybe, right after you hand over the cash or card, you could gently suggest HMF as free advertising which reaches many dedicated rose gardeners.
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The seller might be located in Portland, but there is no physical nursery. I live in the greater metro.
This seems like yet another of those from Etsy, except I don't recognize the name from Etsy. There is no 'About'. Nothing that tells me its a site that might make your money disappear. It COULD be real, but I don't know that, and that's honestly their problem if they do not make it apparent.
Either way, if they are real, then its an atrocious place to root and sell florist varieties. Its a low light, low elevation, high rain area. So possibly somewhere warmer ships the product to them and other like-sellers. I don't know. It just feels off to me.
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#4 of 9 posted
14 days ago by
Nastarana
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OK, my error, it is Highgarden Roses. The website claims "grown and shipped from Portland, Oregon". No street address. They might be growing out seedlings provided by a wholesaler. There is a website, so not only Etsy.
I was interested by your description of propagation difficulties in the area. Is Heirloom at a higher elevation, not so wet? There was once Roy Hennesey's nursery, which I believe would have been not far from the mouth of the Willamette River. Did he not manage to propagate under the conditions you describe? Do greenhouses help with the excessive humidity?
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Heirloom is an hour south of me, and the use a combination of massive greenhouses and also outdoor growouts.
The land there is much more affordable, and they are directly butted against a massive river, surrounded by dairy farms and mint farms (so cheaper access to materials), as well as closer to other ag businesses.
That amount of land to be able to have such an extensive system would cost millions and millions in Portland itself. It would be economically insane.
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#6 of 9 posted
4 days ago by
a_carl76
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I decided to get a sampling of rose bushes from a few of these Etsy type rose growers this year. Many are very expensive ($100+ for a rooted cutting!!!) so I won't be going for those ones. I have had too many less rose-savvy friends order from them only to end up being disappointed with what they got. Thus me deciding to try them out and maybe suggest the better ones.
I am also interested in seeing a few of these varieties that are used in the florist trade in China, Japan and a few other places that we do not normally see available here in the United States. There might be a few out there that end up being worth the try in the garden - even in the Midwest. I would like to get the ones offered from multiple sites listed on hmf so that I, and anyone else that attempts to grow them, can give others information regarding them. Plus I like keeping everything I grow on this site!
We shall see and hopefully I can nudge the better suppliers to post on hmf.
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I did some last year. My strongest recommendation out of what I tried is Allegorie, followed by Gorgeous.
I have not bothered with HMF adding any of these places, because there are too many legal and ethical concerns, as well as potential international issues. I know David Austin LLC has been having a field day with many of them.
So, as much as I love adding info to HMF, I felt it was too much of a stressor for the volunteers to deal with these online sellers that may or may not disappear when someone blinks. Also, I was not sure if HMF listing products of theirs that are trademark infringements, contractual avoidance, and skirting of patent royalties, would make HMF passively complicit. I don't want any harm to come to HMF personally, and while I know a lot of law, I am unsure of law regarding complicit nature of a unintentional aid (in this case, HMF).
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I tried a bunch of them last year. Most grew backwards and eventually died. None of these Etsy dealers are into roses for anything other than a quick buck. And as soon as the quick buck disappears, so will these sellers. And in my opinion, the sooner the better. . .
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#9 of 9 posted
yesterday by
a_carl76
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True to a point. You are definitely correct in that a lot of the Etsy dealers seem to be all about making a quick buck. Don't get me started on the "Rainbow Rose" seeds for sale and all that nonsense. But I can appreciate and support the ones who made their years/decades long passion into a way of supporting their hobbies. IMHO they need to dial it back on the prices - a customer should not be getting a stick with barely a root on it after spending $50 or more for it. Does not matter how rare of a variety it is. Leave that price for the over litigious David Austin Roses LLC and their like.
I guess I look back too fondly to the days where I was able to get a nicely rooted rose from Vintage Gardens for only $12.50.
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ec.keiseirose.co.jp/item/detail/00427
Translates with online translation.
This has further details of the rose:
Kaguyahime ( Keihakag ) Country of origin Japan Making Kyogen rose gardening Announcement year 1998 flower color Bright yellow flower shape Sword valve high core bloom Number of petals 30 sheets Flower diameter 10 ～ 12 cm Tree height 1.5 m Tree shape Semi-upright Aromatic strength Kagana
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#1 of 2 posted
3 days ago by
jedmar
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NP. I thought it was worth digging for, even if rare. So few decent dark yellow large-flowered roses.
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