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クレナデンローズ Grenaden
Grenaden クレナデンローズ
can also be called as Grenadine
by Mitsuru Tanamachi 棚町満
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Goldie 歌笛
Goldie 歌笛
by Jiang Zhenzhi
Link: https://www.yuejikeng.com/guanmu/2989.html
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A very healthy and reliable plant - nearly as tough as brambles, this rose has wonderful ordered prismatic symmetry to its large magenta red blooms and a warm, sort of redcurrant fragrance that can waft around the garden and that was my single plant in a plastic 30cm tub! A bed of three or more established in the ground would scent the garden excellently. In my opinion the smell is much better and more pronounced than the others in this series by Noack including the purple one called 'Laudatio', 'Purple Voluptia', or, in the UK 'Timeless Purple' which wasn't released until 8 years after breeding. 'Charisma'/'Crazy Pink Voluptia' was released earlier and only 2 years after it was bred - it's a superior rose.
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I got 'Eau De Parfum Bling' (what an atrociously stupid name...) last year. Apparently named Showpiece Lipstick in Australia (odd name, but at least more palatable). I wish I knew the difference between this rose and 'Charisma'. Its not apparent by the patent. I know others in the 'Eau De Parfum' descend from 'Charisma', 'Westzeit', and some other un-named semi-double light red type. However, Bling, which looks similar to Charisma in the photos is unclear in the patent. I had wonder if it was a sister they rebranded due to the success, if it was bred from it, or what. Based on the photos, what differences are apparent? Mine (own-root) is not fully mature yet.
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Hi Michael !
Going by the breeder's code for 'E.d.P. Bling' NOA16079 and Charisma's NOA16071 and the description with the patents 'E.d.p. Bling' is a very closely related plant which was probably more suited for better performance in the USA having resulted from the same crossing in 2007 (a sister plant as you said). Only Noack can answer this.
Certainly the flowers look very similar from the HMF photos but last year my 'Timeless Charisma' (UK) NOA16071 flowers (from a grafted plant bought in a pot 2 years before) were neatly stuffed with many smallish petals arrayed in such symmetry as to appear artificial. I'm not sure 'Eau d.P. Bling' has quite as many petals but I could be wrong. My 'Timeless Charisma' flowers grow in clusters like on your plant.
If your (own root) plant is very similar to my (grafted) plant then you're in for a real treat fragrance wise. Mine wafted around the garden and had a 'warmer' more pleasing smell than 'Fragrant Cloud' and I would say more noticable and fruitier than the Hybrid Tea 'Birthday Boy' which were among others I was growing in 2024.
Would you like to comment on the fragrance of your 'Eau d. P. Bling' ?
So for the general interest of the readers, the following are the five in this series by Noack:
1) 'Charisma' (Germany released 2010) = 'Timeless Charisma' (UK) = 'Showpiece Lipstick' (Australia). ~ 'Eau de Parfum Bling' (USA but breeder codes differ by just the end digit)
2) 'Comeback' (Germany released 2016) = 'Timeless Pink' (UK) = 'Showpiece Blush' (Australia) = 'Eau de Parfum Blush' (USA)
3) 'Laudatio' (Germany released 2016) = 'Timeless Purple (UK) = 'Showpiece Berry' (Australia) ~ 'Eau de Parfum Berry' (USA released 2023 but breeder code differs completely and plant can get taller - up to 120cm)
4) 'Audienz' (Germany released 2016) = Timeless Cream' (UK) = 'Showpiece Champagne' (Australia) = 'Eau de Parfum Bubbly' (USA released 2024)
5) 'Showpiece Orange' (Australia 2024 - but crossed in Germany 2013). A shrub with smaller, strongly fragrant gold/orange flowers in clusters
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That's a great point about the digits.
There is also Eau de Parfum Berry Rose. No idea where that fits in. Eau de Parfum Bubbly is the same as Showpiece Champagne. Some are patented in Canada, but I don't know why.
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I think that all the 'Eau de Parfum's by Noack must be the names they go by in the USA so I hope you don't mind my having added the two you mentioned to the ends of my list. I also wonder why some are patented in Canada?
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#5 of 6 posted
2 days ago by
 jedmar
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Charisma and Showpiece Lipstick have different breeder codes.
The same with Timeless Purople and Eau de Parfum Berry.
Even if these are quite similar, we need to list them separately.
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Correct. I took the line items to mean same market rather than all identical roses, but I can see how that could confuse/conflate new readers. I blame Noack for not being clear with these similar introduction concepts.
Christensen did something similar in the 90s. He (they, really) would send a sister of the same cross to North America and Australia, and sometimes Europe. Its how I knew 'Amazon' is a sister to 'Brass Band'. It was detailed in a presentation when I was a teenager in a slide show at a meeting from slides made by the ARS and Portland Rose Society. 'Amazon' was sent to AUS, and 'Brass Band' was sent to North America. There are a litter of yellow roses he made that followed the same pattern. It makes things confusing, but on the other hand, breeders and producers have to sell to diverse markets, so it is what it is.
Producers could be more clear with all of these things, but I don't see a trend of it improving. In fact, I think its getting worse because many of them are so wary of sharing information.
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Description page states "Possibly identical with 'Belles Rives' / 'Stiletto'. See MEIzolnil." However, that might not be true as Grace Rose Farm is also offering Belle Rives/Stiletto/MEIzolnil with a slightly different description. I know some rose providers are not exactly on the up and up, but I would trust Grace Rose Farm enough to not believe they sell the same rose separately under two names and descriptions.
At this point, I would believe that it is more probable that they are sister seedlings like Red Eden and Crimson Sky than identical.
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2 days ago by
jedmar
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Maybe someone from Meilland can enlighten us?
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I don't think it's Stiletto. I have 3. Its a really nifty HT that is completely upright, yet does not get massive. The blooms are mid-size for its class, and its super cuttable. So right off the bat, the form does not match Purple Aura. Also, the color is not right for Stiletto in the photos. Stiletto in person has a somewhat darker face petal than reverse petal. And often the face is not monotone.
I don't think they're the same rose either based on the photos. With that said, sites like that like to romanticize their photos and we have no idea if a filter or other artisan edits were used.
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