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Discussion id : 155 most recent 30 JUN 06 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 24 FEB 04 by Anonymous-797

What roses are good choices for cold climates?	REPLY

Reply #1 of 15 posted 12 MAR 03 by Alex Sutton

Dr. Brownell produced a number of cold-hardy roses called Sub-Zero Roses. Click on CUSTOM SEARCH. In the Rose Class field, select "Sub-Zero Roses" and then click the SEARCH button. When the list of roses that meet your criteria is displayed, click on a name to go to the page for that rose.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 15 posted 14 APR 03 by Unregistered Guest

Old Garden Roses (OGR's) would be excellent choices for colder climates.	REPLY

Reply #3 of 15 posted 5 JUL 03 by D Mailhiot

Agriculture Canada has helped develope a series of very cold hardy roses. There are quite a few (maybe twenty) ranging from small to very large. They are known as the Explorer roses. So look for Baffin, Frobisher, Hudson etc... if they grow well here in Canada, they will certainly do well a bit further south!	REPLY

Reply #4 of 15 posted 12 MAY 05 by The Kaki

Check out the "Buck" Roses by Dr. Griffith Buck (now deceased), former professor at Iowa State University. they are not in all of the listhings of rose societies, but his daughter is trying to get them recognized. They were bred specifically for colder climates, but I love them in NC. They keep their leaves all winter long here. km	REPLY

Reply #5 of 15 posted 12 JAN 06 by Lenage

Hi! I,m growing a couple of the Explorer series, here in Hamilton, Ontario( zone 5b-6) and they are thriving. "Martin Frobisher", "Jens Munk", "J.P.Connell", - so far. I have a rugosa rose, 'Roserie de L,Hay", which came as a slip all the way from my mum,s ,up in North Bay, Ont. This thing could survive a nuclear war!! It has not only gone on, to run amuk at my mum,s ( it sent shoots everywhere, and self-propigated itself all along her fences...) -but, it,s quickly becoming a beast in my own garden. Griffith Buck, down your way, produced in his time, a lovely rose called" Carefree Beauty"(1977). I had the chance to see it growing at the Niagra Parks Botanical gardens/school, and it,s an amazingly pretty, open shrub, with very fragrant, pink flowers. It has nice hips in the fall as well. This rose might be more readily available to you? Most anything with a rugosa or species background will fare well in the cold with little protection. Good Luck! :D..Lenage.

Reply #6 of 15 posted 13 JUN 06 by NMrose

i agree with the post about Dr Buck roses-you won't go wrong with "own root" Buck roses	REPLY

Reply #7 of 15 posted 21 JUN 06

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Reply #8 of 15 posted 28 JUN 06 by Elizabeth Lee

There are two groups of roses developed by Agriculture Canada, the Explorer roses developed primarily in Ottawa and the Parkland series developed out in Morden Manitoba. I have several Parkland roses and quite a few Explorer roses. Both are extremely hardy for me, I live in Guelph Ontario which is near Toronto, zone 4-ish. I also have some of the Buck roses, I am have to admit that they are not as hardy in my environment as the Explorer and Parkland roses.

Reply #9 of 15 posted 29 JUN 06 by Lenage

Hi!.. Welll, I,m about to find out all abou tthe Buck roses this coming winter.. I just planted a beautiful one, called " April Moon". I fell totally in love with it, as soon as I saw it.. As a matter of fact, the one Isaw and liked, was the very one the nursery had in one of thier display urns, so to absolutely guarantee I got that very one, I grabbed that display rose up,and bought it. There were so many other lovelies to choose from, I didn,t want to accidently buy the wrong rose..LOL!! 'April Moon' wasn,t listed on the Griffith Buck internet site I found, so, I,m guessing it might be newer one he might have developed before passing away(?). It,s gorgeous! Light, creamy blossoms ( semi-double), with a sweet, almost creamy scent, and the most wonderful bronzy foliage I,ve ever seen on a rose. As a matter of fact, if I didn,t get blossoms this side of the season, I,d be alright with just it,s foliage. ( of course, I am getting blossoms, but I had to mention this foliage..:D..) Anyways, I hope your Buck roses survive ok. I,m in a slightly more agreeable part of the province, so maybe they do better here..(?) ( Hamilton, zone 5b) ..How about wintering yours over ,like you might a hybrid tea rose?? Now that you,ve made this mention about hardiness, I might be tempted to do so, as I reallly like this one alot! ( I bought mine on sale, but still, it was a pretty steep investment I made, for my b-day,as I ,ve read so much about Griffith Buck, but had not been able to find many of his roses here. This year, the nursery went nuts,and brought lots of his roses in, but they were a wee bit expensive..) Well, Good luck, and I hope they work out for you.. BTW,... Which ones do you have growing right now?? Ooh,,, and does anyone out in 'rose land' know of a good book ( with nice, color photos of his roses) that specializes in Griffith Buck the way so many books do about David Austin?? Thanks, Lenage.

Reply #10 of 15 posted 29 JUN 06 by Elizabeth Lee

I had Hi Neighbor, but it did not survive the winter. It showed great promise this spring and then just rapidly went down hill. Wild Ginger and Aunt Honey came through the winter, but they showed a lot of die back on the canes. I have to admit that this has not deterred me from the Buck roses. I went a bit nuts and brought in Folksinger, Prairie Harvest, Prairie Sunrise, Iowa Belle, Earthsong, and Music Maker. But as you suggested I am going to treat them a bit more like HTs than Explorers this fall. Good luck with April Moon.

Reply #11 of 15 posted 29 JUN 06 by Lenage

Thanks! It sounds like you,ve aquired quite a few of his roses.. They are nice, eh? My space is abit limited now,as I already have ( including my 'April Moon") about 26 roses in between lots of perrenials and bulbs and such. Maybe more.. Yes, I forgot about my other little mini roses, all done up in pots... That makes my collection at around..31, as I have 5 new minis in pots. :D.... Of course, shovelling new beds is a great way to control one,s figure,and make room for more...:D:D:D..Lenage.

Reply #12 of 15 posted 29 JUN 06 by NMrose

Lenage: Try the Buck rose website: www.ag.iastate.edu/centers/cad/rose

Pretty decent website dedicated to Dr Buck and his roses with decent pictures. Also try the Reiman Garden site at Iowa State-they have 75 of Dr. Bucks roses in the garden there with pictures.

www.reimangardens.iastate.edu

Of course there plenty here on this site also.

I have 20 Buck roses here in the High desert of New Mexico, very mild Zone 7 west of Rockies near the Rio Grande river. I had over 40 Buck's when I lived in Iowa. I am an Iowa State grad and was there at the height of Dr. Bucks breeding program in early 70's. The campus had many rose plantings in the Ag area of the campus. As a senior there in 1975 I was forced to take a seminar by Dr. Buck-what a neat presentation on winter hardy roses bred for the upper Midwest(I didn't want to go but wanted to graduate). My mother had a terrible time with roses at home-the budded tea types with winter kill. I approached Dr. Buck about where to find his rose commercially, he stated " I bred them-I don't sell them" that was the problem with him, he was brilliant but not marketing savy, He has passed and now his roses are very popular. He invited me to the green house across from Kildee hall where most of my class where. After 3-4 visits of not finding him there I tried early one morning before a 8:00 AM class. I never made to class that day, he showed me things that we amazing. I pressed him for where to find them and explained my mothers rose problems, he handed me a 4" pot with an "own root" Rose in it. The marker said Earth song. I hadn't planned on going home that weekend but did and Mom planted the rose. It was still blooming last June when I visited there last year. 30 years old and still covered in pink blooms. It grows with no winter protection what so ever. Frankly my brother and sister in law don't pay any attention to it.

That's my Buck story-Favorites are Apple Jack (Dr Buck used this rose as "anti-freeze" in his breeding program),Polonaise(non stop red shrub) Earth Song(my wife's favorite) Honey Sweet(there was bed of these outside Kildee Hall in the mid 70's striking and fragrant), Summer Wind, Prairie Harvest,(tall yellow shrub) and ElCatala. just planted April Moon.

Reply #13 of 15 posted 29 JUN 06 by NMrose

Are you buying and planting own root roses or budded??	REPLY

Reply #14 of 15 posted 29 JUN 06 by Lenage

Hello, NMrose.... Very cool story about actually meeting Dr. Buck himself... I am pretty sure I bought an 'own root' rose ,as far as my G.B. rose is concerned. I,m not so certain about all my other ones, as I have bought them from all over the place here, at different times, and never really even considered that issue... I,ve been fortunate not to lose the ones I have so far, so, that,s a good thing... I do miss my ' Westerland'... It died on me, a couple of winters ago, but I got at least 2 good seasons out of it. That might be one I replace sometime in the future. Sounds like you,re having fun down there, where you are with your roses.. Do you have issues with water or anything like that? New Mexico... I keep thinking ( maybe incorrectly..) that it has a fairly dry climate there... Lenage.

Reply #15 of 15 posted 30 JUN 06 by NMrose

7" of moisture per year and in the 7 Th year of drought. High desert (Mile high) however we live in the river valley with 10,000 feet Rockies 10 miles to our east. No mildew or rust or fungal problems, fantastic rose climate. I have drip system on everything from fruit trees to my tomatoes to conserve water. We pay $100.00 month for water, very expensive here and getting worse every year. Got our first major rain Tuesday in 8 months, 1" of moisture was nice.

I have 200+ roses, climbers about 20, miniature's, Bucks, a few teas and flourbindas. we don't do much fussing about with our roses. dead head etc but nothing special.

I encourage any one in a cold norther climate to go "own root" budded roses need to much protection. A frozen bud union in your climate is probably the biggest cause of winter kill. i select for own root only now for longevity reasons and cost of replacement.

Good luck

Reply #16 of 15 posted 30 JUN 06 by Lenage

Well, now that I,m begining to get the idea , as I go along, I will certainly be looking for the 'own root' on any future roses. I,ve read the advantages over and over in my gardening books, but maybe the milder part of our province has made me lazy.. I grew up in -50 centigrade winters and up there, we didn,t focus as much on growing roses.. I was thrilled to find I could grow them so easily where I am now. However, I am learning, that there is, indeed, a winter here , even if it,s milder and wetter. Actually, the milder winter might be part of the problem,as there,s not much, in the way of snow-cover, so, protection is even more important, to keep the freeze-thawing cycles( back and forth) from killing them. ( heaving and wind-rock are also problems..) In late fall, when things do begin to freeze up, some of my roses done up in large pots,are hilled , then, wrapped up, and stored in a protected shed. This method worked very well for me last year, so that, I still have my 'Joseph,s Coat' and 'L.D. Braithewaite' growing, alive and well... Really neat, reading about your own unique climatic conditons down there, NMrose. Happy gardening! Lenage.