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Discussion id : 13-181 most recent 15 JUL 06 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 11 JUL 06 by Marcy Timberman

This rose has literally been rescued from bulldozers razing my neighborhood for a redevelopment project. This is my first attempt at slipping roses. It's not Mr. Lincoln or Papa Meilland as I have those two. Any ideas? One suggestion was Etoile de Hollande, but the branches and leaves of this specimen are quite blue with incredibly fragrant blossoms. Thank you--erlygrl (Marcy T.)	REPLY

Reply #1 of 17 posted 11 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi Marcy, great job on rescuing the roses from the bulldozer. They are tearing up my rural neighborhood too, so I know how you must feel. Can you get us a pix of this rose to help ID it? Thanks Jody	REPLY

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Reply #3 of 17 posted 11 JUL 06 by erlygrl

Here's the photo. Thanks	REPLY

Reply #4 of 17 posted 11 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi Marcy, thanks for the photo. a guess might be Chrysler Imperial or Alec's Red , except for the blue foilage. but this looks really dark red. is it the pix or is it very dark? There is a rose Black Beauty. I have a pix of it and it is VERY dark. Maybe a petal count would help? Good luck , please let us know if you ID this and again that's really great you were able to save this rose!! Jody	REPLY

Reply #7 of 17 posted 13 JUL 06 by erlygrl

Thanks so much for your comments. Yes, the foilage is very dark and in the mature plant almost bluish. I have two more buds on the bush so when the roses bloom, I'll count the petals. Marcy.	REPLY

Reply #11 of 17 posted 13 JUL 06 by erlygrl

Could you upload the Black Beauty picture please? the pictures on the web look right. This is a very dark rose and the leaves and stems are very purplish, bluish. Thanks!	REPLY

Reply #5 of 17 posted 13 JUL 06 by Wendy C

Have you considered Ingrid Bergman? It rather reminds me of her. Best of Luck	REPLY

Reply #6 of 17 posted 13 JUL 06 by Jody

Wendy has a sharp eye. It does look like Ingrid Bergman, a beautiful rose. Jody	REPLY

Reply #8 of 17 posted 13 JUL 06 by erlygrl

Thanks so much. I can't wait for the next two blossoms to bloom so we'll have more clues. Will count petals. Marcy	REPLY

Reply #9 of 17 posted 13 JUL 06 by Meschuee

What a beautiful rose. It's a very luck plant to have you rescue it. I have "Etoile de Hollande", newly planted, but no blooms yet.Penny.	REPLY

Reply #10 of 17 posted 13 JUL 06 by erlygrl

I looked at pictures of Ingmar Bergman, but the info attached to it says it is not fragrant. This rose is incredibly fragrant--that's what brought be to the abandoned house where the parent lived. I looked at pictures of Black Beauty and that might be a possibility but I don't know what it smells like.

This rose is a Knock Out in the fragrance department. Can't wait to see your Etoile de Hollande fotos when the blooms blossom. Marcy

Reply #12 of 17 posted 13 JUL 06 by Jody

Marcy, the photo on this site says Ingrid is strong fragrance. and if you go to the photos tab where there are multiple photos, there is one that looks identical. Ck out row 3, #6, doesn't that look like your rose??Jody	REPLY

Reply #13 of 17 posted 13 JUL 06 by Wendy C

When my Ingrid Bergman blooms I can't keep my nose away from her. A very nice rose scent.	REPLY

Reply #14 of 17 posted 13 JUL 06 by erlygrl

Thanks so much, Jody--this does look like my rose. One site I looked at said no fragrance but the pictures and the descriptions of fragrance from others makes me think, that with all your help, I now know what the rose's name is. Thanks everyone. I'll repost when the two blooms are ready. The older plant had very upright blooms with long stems similar to one of the other photos.	REPLY

Reply #15 of 17 posted 13 JUL 06 by Meschuee

I look forward to hearing what you decide about the lovely red rose. I'll post photos of "Etoile de Hollande" (someone said it means Cross of Hollande) when she decides to flower. :) Penny	REPLY

Reply #16 of 17 posted 14 JUL 06 by Lulu

Before you settle on Ingrid Bergman for your rose I think you should look at Oklahoma which has the same breeding as Mr Lincoln and Papa Mielland. It is very dark with dark foliage and a magnificent perfume. It has 40 to 55 petals. My rose books say that Ingrid Bergman has not a hint of blue and not much perfume. Lulu	REPLY

Reply #17 of 17 posted 14 JUL 06 by erlygrl

Thanks for your comments. I definitely will be counting the petals and the fragrance of my rose is amazing. Much more powerful than Mr. Lincoln or Papa Mielland.	REPLY

Reply #18 of 17 posted 15 JUL 06 by scottclifton

Based on how you describe the scent, I would guess that your rose is a Mirandy descendant. Mirandy itself has a very strong fragrance and every rose I have encountered where Mirandy is part of the parentage has had a similar fragrance. Chrysler Imperial, Mister Lincoln and Oklahoma have Mirandy in their lineage. Ingrid Bergman is fragrant, but has a lighter, sweeter smell than Mister Lincoln.How tall is the bush itself? Oklahoma is a ~ 7' tall and can be a bit leggy. Ingrid Bergman is a very short (~3' tall), compact bush for a hybrid tea. Also, how long do the blooms last on the bush? A unique characteristic of Ingrid Bergman and Crimson Bouquet (one parent was Ingrid Bergman) is their outstanding bloom life. I have had single blooms on both of these roses to last over three weeks on the bush. I hope this helps. -- Scott