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Initial post 11 SEP 17 by fleur44
Hi is Gruss au Achen in the help me find list? I need to know what type it is for a rose show
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Reply #1 of 11 posted 11 SEP 17 by Andrew from Dolton
Hello fleur44,
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.3129
You need to spell it properly, the search/lookup can be brutal if you don’t, ‘Gruss an Aachen’. It is listed as a Floribunda, Hybrid Tea, Polyantha, take your pick!
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Reply #2 of 11 posted 11 SEP 17 by jedmar
The ARS has it as a Floribunda
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Reply #3 of 11 posted 11 SEP 17 by Andrew from Dolton
Raised in 1909, isn’t that a bit early for a floribunda?
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Reply #4 of 11 posted 11 SEP 17 by Patricia Routley
Yes. Modern Roses 1 in 1930 classified it as a polyantha. The floribundas came on to the market in the 1930s and by 1952 Modern Roses 4 decided that it looked like a floribunda and so changed their classification. I think David Austin thought it was the epitome of what he wanted his English roses to look like.
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Reply #5 of 11 posted 12 SEP 17 by Andrew from Dolton
Its ancestors are a hybrid perpetual and hybrid teas. To me, it seems strange to classify a rose by what it looks like rather than what it actually is, but I’m sure the great and good at the ARS know what they are doing. It is a lovely rose.
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Reply #6 of 11 posted 13 SEP 17 by RoseBlush
Andrew ... a couple of comments:

For the SEARCH feature, if one is uncertain of the spelling of a rose, you can use the drop down list and enter one of the other choices to search the database.

As for 'Gruss an Aachen' being classified as a floribunda ... it was the first rose to receive that classification from the ARS. It didn't quite fit the polyantha classification.
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Reply #7 of 11 posted 13 SEP 17 by Andrew from Dolton
When I type in a name to search the only other names that appear in the drop down list are roses that I have searched and looked up before. If I spell the name incorrectly, (as I often do as I’m a rubbish speller), Gruss au Achen for example all I get is the “We did not find any plants matching your search name” etc. I expect it is me doing something wrong!
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Reply #8 of 11 posted 13 SEP 17 by Patricia Routley
If you searched for 'Gruss au Achen' as you spelt it, then the database sometimes will not find this incorrectly spelt rose. (Miraculously, sometimes it does.) Instead of searching with BEST MATCHES, try searching with CONTAINS, and just ask for one word, in this case either Gruss, or Aachen. Then you will have no problem.
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Reply #9 of 11 posted 14 SEP 17 by Andrew from Dolton
Ah yes, that works, thank you Patricia.
Changing the subject, I just managed to order a plant of Rosa x micrgosa ‘Alba’ from Beales before they sell out (as they quickly do), I am very excited about this rose!
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Reply #10 of 11 posted 14 SEP 17 by RoseBlush
Andrew ... at the left of the SEARCH field, you will see an arrow for a drop down menu.

As Patricia suggested, you can search using BEGINS WITH, CONTAINS (my favorite) or ENDS WITH.

So for ‘Gruss an Aachen’, you could do any of the three following searches, or any variation as long as you have at least three characters ...

BEGINS WITH: Gruss an A

CONTAINS: s an A

ENDS WITH: chen

Of course, you can add or delete letters and don't have to do the exact searches I've listed above.
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Reply #11 of 11 posted 14 SEP 17 by Andrew from Dolton
Thank you very much Lyn.
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