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12 OCT 05 by
Mattie
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When we purchased our home this rose bush was here. The first year it bloomed with one rose. The following with 2-3 roses. A friend advised I cut it down and plant something else, but now 2 years ago, in late spring I found it with 12-14 buds, and by summer most of them had opened. I do not know the name, nor have I been able to find anyone who can identify it. Please help. I don't know what all to say about it. It grows tall, and doesn't seem to climb, yet it could be a climber. It was planted where it really doesn't have anything to climb against. I've attached a photo of the bloom this summer, 2005. It sends out all kinds of new growth, after the first bloom, but those stems never or rarely produce additional flowers. It could be the way I'm cutting it back, I do not know how to prune it properly.
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#1 of 4 posted
15 OCT 05 by
Wendy C
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You've got a pretty bloom, nice photo. I did a search and found a couple of possiblities, but they are reblooming varieties. Anne Morrow Lindberg or Antigone look similar.
It could be you have an inferior cultivor, or it's a once blooming rose. Prune the rose to a solid set of five leaflets pointing to the outside of the bush.
Climbing roses will not climb on their own. They tend to arch and spread without training. You can attach the rose to the trellis with old hosiery or nylon zip ties. Leave them with lots of wiggle room, so you don't strangle the cane.
If this rose isn't what you want, not enough bloom, ect, don't feel badly about digging it up and planting a variety which will make you happier.
Cutting it to the ground will not get rid of it. It needs to be dug up to be rid of it.
The condition you describe sounds like black spot. There are a number of products you could spray the plant with to eliminate the problem. Removing effected foliage and cleaning it out of the garden will help as well.
Good luck
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#2 of 4 posted
15 OCT 05 by
Mattie
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Thank you Wendy C.. I appreciate your efforts in trying to identify this rose. I looked up both names you gave me, and you are right, it could be either from the photos I saw. It does rebloom but it takes forever to bud again. The scent is incredibly strong and wonderful, making me want to keep it. And, you can see from the photo, the blooms are gorgeous.
When you say prune to five leaflets, what do you mean exactly? The stock is thick and filled with thorns. I have kept those to five stocks/stems. But, I don't think one would call them leaflets. I do cut the stems back to the fifth leaf, when I'm trimming it back after a blossom, but normally another bud is not formed on that stem at all. And, those stems grow very high and fast. This year I tried to watch it a little more closely, and I think I found that new stem shoots grow from the big 5 stems, and they sometimes bud out. But, the long, fast growing stems don't give me flowers. They get about 10-12 feet high.
One thing I failed to mention, is I live in the southeast corner of France..so naming it could be a little more difficult, perhaps? Many thanks for your time and effort in helping me. Mattie
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#3 of 4 posted
16 OCT 05 by
Wendy C
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You're certainly welcome. Yes, France makes the ID more difficult. ;-)
Generally roses have three types of leaf sets. 3,5 & 7 leaves to a set or cluster . Most roses have 3 & 5 leaves on a stem. Conventional pruning says to cut just above a set of 5 leaves. So it sounds as if you are pruning it properly. The rose has it's own ideas on how it wants to behave.
Good luck with your fragrant beauty.
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#4 of 4 posted
16 OCT 05 by
Mattie
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Dear Wendy C. I understand the leaf sets mentioned in your earlier reply to me - so, I think I'm doing what you suggested.
Many thanks, Mattie
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