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Initial post 18 JUN by Ms.Lefty
I remember reading somewhere that "Dortmund" self-seeds very easily, but that most of the seedlings resemble the mother plant. This certainly was the case for me - The "Dortmund" I grew long ago has died, but I found a seedling next to it, which I gave to a friend. (NO, it was NOT a sucker.)

At least a decade later, that seedling is growing over her rose arbor and is HUGE. I don't see any difference between what I call "Dortmund's Daughter" and her mom. I'lll have to check it more closely!
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 19 JUN by Nastarana
Was Ralph Moore's 'Shadow Dancer' a planned cross or might it have been a chance seedling?
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 14 days ago by Ms.Lefty
Good question!

HMF does list a number of roses that Mr. Moore "discovered" - perhaps some were seedlings.

During his long life, in addition to all his lovely minuature roses, Mr. Moore always seemed to be interested in crossing unusual varieties with each other.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 14 days ago by Ms.Lefty
Now I need to get "Shadow Dancer!" It's fragrant - and neither Dortmund nor my seedling are.
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Initial post 27 FEB 19 by lbuzzell
The rose we've been given of 'Shadow Dancer' also has large round orange hips, which I don't see mentioned anywhere.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 14 days ago by Ms.Lefty
This would make sense to me, as its parents are "Dortmund" and a seedling of "Dortmund."
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Initial post 7 NOV 20 by Viviane SCHUSSELE
Entre 176 et 223, Cécile de Rome dite Sainte Cécile, patronne des musiciens
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 17 APR 24 by Ms.Lefty
J'ai été nommé pour elle !
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 14 days ago by Ms.Lefty
Mon père était musicien et a insisté pour que sa première fille s'appelle Cécilia. Je suis musicien aussi.
My father was a musician and insisted on naming his first daughter Cecilia. I am a musician, too.
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Initial post 20 JUN by Ms.Lefty
Ahh, memories ... this is one of the first roses I "rustled" in the area around Frederick, Maryland with my friend and former Sister-in-law Suzy. The others were Banshee and Dr. Van Fleet. I think I gave SP away because it suckered so much. Now I wish I still had a single little sucker. Don't let the fact that it's a once-bloomer fool you. It bloomed for a month or more for me. Wonderful Damask fragrance, if I remember correctly. If I can ever find it again, I'll try growing it in a large pot.
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