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Hello all,
I'm researching the story behind the Mme Caroline Testout rose, and noticed on the description page for Mme Caroline Testout the rose is listed as being dedicated to the wife of a magistrate of Grenoble. Does anyone know where this information came from? The other more repeated story about the Testout rose is that Caroline was a dressmaker from Grenoble who bought silks in Lyon, and purchased naming rights to the rose as a PR stunt for her business in London. Trying to track down the source of this alternate story, about she being a magistrate's wife.
Thanks so much,
Veronica
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There is a lot of hearsay and copy paste regarding the attribution of the name:
- Journal des Roses of January 1910 says: dedicated to a lady of Grenoble, a lover of flowers
- Biltmore roses catalogue of 1913 : "named in honor of a distinguished and enthusiastic Rose-lover"
- House & Garden of 1929: "a fashionable couturière of London" [20th century books say a fashionable dressmaker of Grenoble who had salons in Paris and London!]
- The Gardeners Chronicle of May 29, 1937: "wife of a friend and customer of his who was a leading magistrate in Grenoble....M. Testout was an enthusiastic amateur gardener and had considerable success locally, principally in raising Gladioli"
- Les Amis des Roses of December 1939: wife of a magistrate of Grenoble
Now for some fact checking:
- There is no evidence of a couturière/dressmaker named Testout or Testoud in Grenoble, Paris, or London. If she was so successful, we should have found some trace of her on the web. This seems a made up story.
- The name Testout or Testoud is indeed common in the Grenoble area
- An Adolphe Testout bred a chrysanthemum 'Vaucanson' in 1893. No info on gladioli.
- A magistrat in France is a member of a court. There was indeed a A. Testout who was at the Court of Appelation in Grenoble in 1882. He is, however, mentioned as an amateur entomologist. Is this the same as Charles Adolphe Edmond Testout (January 17, 1845 - May 13, 1912 Grenoble)?
- The Zoologisches Adresssbuch of 1895 lists (p. 274) a Ch. Testout at 112 Cours Berriat, Grenoble, with collection of insects and butterflies. He is a Greffier (clerk) at the Court of Appelations. This address is a multi-story apartment building in the centre of the town. No garden in sight.
- Earlier, in 1855 a M. Testout is mentioned as propriétaire (landowner) in "La Frise, près de Polygone, 10 minutes de Grenoble". This La Frise is not far from the Cours Berriat above.
- A Mme Testout was a science teacher at the gymnasium for girls in Grenoble until 1901. Was she named Caroline?
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This is a question directed to HRIA facebook page and I have checked out all details on HMF page:
Hi I'm in nz I have a friend writing a book on Harrison Weir, as I am in the rose society he has asked if I can find out more about the rose named after him released in 1878. Are there any know descendant roses from this rose etc? I can't find any in the uk the Breeder release 14 roses but none from Harrison Weir. As it was also released in Aust I wondered if anyone would have any info ? Many thanks Alannah
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Surpasse
in Catalogue d’une très-riche collection de rosiers des plus belles et … 1813 are listed two Surpasse (renoncule and pourpre)
Page 3 Planche 1 n.1 Surpasse renoncule
Page 4 Planche 8 n.67 Surpasse renoncule
Page 4 Planche 11 n. 99 e 125 Surpasse renoncule
Page 6 Planche 16 n.230 Surpasse renoncule
Page 7 Planche 22 n.323 Surpasse pourpre
Page 7 Planche 22 n.325 Surpasse renoncule
Page 7 Planche 23 n.330 Surpasse renoncule
Page 7 Planche 24 n.343 Surpasse pourpre
I let you decide how to file them ...
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And I’ll let someone else decide
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Lately a few rosarians have become fond of stating that other Chinese roses were brought to Europe around the same time as 'Old Blush', 'Slater's Crimson', 'Hume's Blush', and 'Park's Yellow tea-scented China.
I am looking for sources that suggest or reveal that there were more than these Four Studs mentioned by Hurst which initiated the hybridizing of remontant roses. H.C. Andrews of 1805 is one such source, and I've recently located a number of sources re: Park's Yellow and other early yellow chinas.
Does anyone know of other sources that address the earliest pink or red chinas/teas?
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