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This is a question directed to HRIA facebook page and I have checked out all details on HMF page:
Hi I'm in nz I have a friend writing a book on Harrison Weir, as I am in the rose society he has asked if I can find out more about the rose named after him released in 1878. Are there any know descendant roses from this rose etc? I can't find any in the uk the Breeder release 14 roses but none from Harrison Weir. As it was also released in Aust I wondered if anyone would have any info ? Many thanks Alannah
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Surpasse
in Catalogue d’une très-riche collection de rosiers des plus belles et … 1813 are listed two Surpasse (renoncule and pourpre)
Page 3 Planche 1 n.1 Surpasse renoncule
Page 4 Planche 8 n.67 Surpasse renoncule
Page 4 Planche 11 n. 99 e 125 Surpasse renoncule
Page 6 Planche 16 n.230 Surpasse renoncule
Page 7 Planche 22 n.323 Surpasse pourpre
Page 7 Planche 22 n.325 Surpasse renoncule
Page 7 Planche 23 n.330 Surpasse renoncule
Page 7 Planche 24 n.343 Surpasse pourpre
I let you decide how to file them ...
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And I’ll let someone else decide
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Lately a few rosarians have become fond of stating that other Chinese roses were brought to Europe around the same time as 'Old Blush', 'Slater's Crimson', 'Hume's Blush', and 'Park's Yellow tea-scented China.
I am looking for sources that suggest or reveal that there were more than these Four Studs mentioned by Hurst which initiated the hybridizing of remontant roses. H.C. Andrews of 1805 is one such source, and I've recently located a number of sources re: Park's Yellow and other early yellow chinas.
Does anyone know of other sources that address the earliest pink or red chinas/teas?
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Does the rose 'Ayreshire Queen' perhaps appear at HMF under a different name?
Shepherd, Roy E., History of the Rose, facsimile reproduction of the first edition of 1954, by Earl M. Coleman. 1978 edition, p .22
"AYRESHIRE QUEEN--Dark, purplish crimson, semidouble. Originated by Thomas Rivers, in 1835, by crossing Blush Ayreshire with the Damask Rose, Tuscany. The least vigorous of the group."
I suppose 'Damask Rose. Tuscany' actually refers to the Gallica we now know as 'Tuscany Superb'.
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#1 of 2 posted
13 MAY 16 by
 Jay-Jay
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May be You take a look at: 'Ayrshire Queen' Two hits.
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We've added the History of the Rose reference, (thanks Nastarana) to 'Ayrshire Queen' (and thanks Jay-Jay).
The pollen parent? My guess is Tuscany. We have:
<1820 Tuscany, unknown breeder
1835 Ayrshire Queen, Rivers
<1837 Tuscany Superb, Rivers.
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