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Roses Unlimited no longer offer:
-'Charlotte Armstrong'
-'King's Ransom'
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25 FEB by
 jedmar
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No longer offering/growing 'Ann Endt'
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25 FEB by
jedmar
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19 FEB by
Wm
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A&D nursery has either shut down or changed info. The sites link does not work and calling the phone number listed states it's no longer valid. I tried looking at the website for peonies but evidently it no longer exists.
Same appears to be the case for Chateau CharMarron Gardens, the link does not get you to the site.
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20 FEB by
jedmar
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We have changed the A&D Nursery listing to closed, thank you! Chateau CharMarron Gardens seems to have a newer website and email address.
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Well, it appears their business model relies on getting “exclusives” with breeders such as Tantau, and then selling their plants at double the price of anyone else, while at the same time preventing those other vendors from selling those roses in the US. This year Palatine is blocked from selling Tantau roses, which they otherwise will do. I will NOT be supporting them and would discourage others as well. In my opinion they are a walking talking antitrust violation under both California and US law. Yes I know that Austin is famous for this, but they keep an army of lawyers employed supporting such marketing decisions.
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4 DEC 23 by
Lee H.
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Well, it takes two to tango, and I think Tantau would be due at least half the blame. It could be more effective to boycott Tantau. I hate to point fingers at the little guy for just trying to make some money in a difficult market.
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Strongly disagree. Antitrust may or may not be a law in Germany, where Tantau does business; I have no idea what German law is. But it is against the statutes here, and this nursery is ignoring them to increase its customers costs of the plants to double what it would cost if they were not blocking their competition out of the market for those plants. I will not be encouraging these tactics by buying from them.
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5 DEC 23 by
Lee H.
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Point taken, but isn’t it Tantau who is deciding who to sell (or not sell) to? Regardless of the laws that may be in Germany, I’m only observing that without Tantau’s active participation in this “conspiracy”, nothing happens. They cannot be held blameless.
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IDK, but does not Kordes do something similar? I ask because I have seen small nurseries, Starlight Perennials comes to mind, all of a sudden offering Kordes roses and nothing or very little else in roses.
Does anyone here know if restrictive clauses in contracts are even enforceable? Tantau can decide to whom they want to sell, but do they also get to tell a vendor what else that company can propagate and sell. I know just that is what DA Co. did and does with its' contracts but is such an arrangement actually legally enforceable.
If the Tantau roses being offered exclusively to Grace Rose Farm are not patented in the USA, anyone can buy a mother plant from the favored vendor and propagate their own clones.
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Seems to me Kordes does almost the opposite. As far as I can tell without seeing any contracts, they do everything they can to get their roses to as many vendors as they can entice to sell them. I see them in many different dealer’s inventories. As for enforcement, it is mostly voluntary in small markets such as roses because everyone knows everyone else in this business (or almost) and your past actions will follow you. Reputations are still important here. Same for licensing arrangements to pay breeders for their work. Mostly voluntary as to enforcement.
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I wonder if Palatine would still be selling online to the US had not all that happened.
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Nope. Palatine was and is selling every rose they are able to produce. I think the issue is just that the ownership and worker bees are aging out, and there is no younger generation coming up behind them to take over what has gotta be a huge workload. Budding and growing out bare-root roses for sale two years after budding is not easy work. No one wants to do it. And the US growers will be facing the same problem once Trump, etc. expels that workforce from the US. Better buy them now, lol.
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I had supposed the decision by Palatine not to sell in the USA after this season, I think, was the result of rising cost of living leaving gardeners with shrinking disposable income combined with the difficulties of getting plants across the border.
I still do wonder, are the restrictive contracts such as those the DA company insists upon actually enforceable? My simpleminded, lay persons understanding of a contract is that I agree to buy X product for Y price, payable at a specified time in a specified manner. The seller can insist they won't take cash, on account of being unwilling to hire clerks who can count, but he or she does not get to tell me where else I can do business.
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