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I have room for one more pink rose bush and I'm having trouble deciding between Frederic Mistral and Memorial Day. I live in Texas. If anyone can offer any advice I'd appreciate it. :-)
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I'd love to know the answer to this. I'm in New Orleans, and don't spray. Might this one work for me?
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21 JAN 16 by
npierce
I grow both in Dallas. Both are a beautiful pink, have loads of fragrance, grow to be big bushes. Frederic Mistral's blooms have better form for me and it is one of the last to start blooming in the spring here. If I had to pick one over the other, I would grow Frederic Mistral; if for no other reason than it is more difficult to locate and I like to keep more difficult-to-find varieties in my garden.
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Which one did you decide on? I planted a lot of Memorial Days this year but wanted to go with Frederic also when available. Scent is a top trait for me so curious about which one does best in the heat!
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Frederic Mistral did well in the heat for me. It was Prickles (Bailey) in CA who reported in forum that he had 2 Memorial Day, one in full-sun, one in partial shade. The one in partial shade had better color & more petals & better scent. Lavenderlace: I would love to learn from your assessment with many Memorial Day planted in different locations as to winter-survival & vigor. Thanks. Memorial Day is iffy for my zone 5a winter, and I would like to learn what help with its vigor & winter-survival.
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I found MD to be a little hit or miss for me in my climate. I have them all over the place and all planted within a month or so of each other.
Before planting, they did not take the summer heat with delayed UPS trucks and many arrived DOA while plants of a different variety were fine.
After winter, none of them died completely, but I have some that are now only inches tall (after dying down to the ground) in the same line where some are three feet tall and stayed green the entire winter. But the ones that came out the worse are the ones that went into winter looking the worse, though everything else was the same.
The ones in clay really struggled to get started last year but this year I don't see a difference between the clay and the sandy soil ones. But the main thing that I learned was that MD (in my particular circumstances) does not like too much water and I had some planted by very thirsty Austins!
So if I would have known this starting out, perhaps the clay ones would have done better to begin with? If there's a heavy rain, MD looks unhappy and will get a bit of BS.
Mine are all planted in full sun or else getting a lot of sun, none that I would consider shaded. I have one in a pot that has just been sitting there for six months, not a lot of growth, so being brought in for the cold and having the water controlled seems to still result in a slow starting plant.
That being said, I have at least a dozen that have huge blooms and stayed green all winter. If these were the only ones that I owned, I would say that they are fabulous! But then I have a lot that are incredibly behind so maybe they are just slow starters?
For winter protection, they had a manure and shavings mix banked around them.
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Thank you !! it's good to know that Memorial Day require less water than Austin roses. Definitely will grab that one if I see in local store.
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Parole/Buxom Beauty has proven to be one of the best garden roses of the 225 that I currently grow. The bush and foliage are very vigorous growing and stay very disease and insect free even with it's neighbors having issues of disease themselves. The strong fragrance of these blooms can challenge the best of the fragrant hybrid tea roses available on the market today. The blooms are huge--approaching 6" to 7" in diameter and have a deep pink color that does not fade as the blooms age. At bloom life end you should deadhead the flower to encourage a quicker re-bloom. It might be just a tad stingy with bloom, but if that bothers you just buy another bush so you always have plenty to cut and enjoy in the vase for the home. I really like this rose and would recommend it for anyone.
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When you say 'vigorous growing' are you saying Buxom Beauty exceeds the height of 32" to 39" as listed in the description? I'm looking for a deep pink, fragrant rose for the front of my rose bed (Zone 9) and your glowing report is intriguing.
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Hi Sagecanyondogs. I don't mean that Parole/Buxom Beauty exceeds the height as stated in the description here on HMF. By vigorous I mean that that plant grows quickly and strongly and blooms the same way. It is just sort of "uber-healthy" and has that look of a well cared for strong growing plant that has been taken moderate care of. It reblooms quickly from flush to slush so there is little time that the bush is without any blooms. Also, it means that the bush is healthy and has better disease resistance than many of the modern--and older!--HT's on the market. All in all, this is a very good rose that I easily recommend to others that ask me about it's performance. Good luck with it--I am sure you will enjoy it's huge blooms. John
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Do you think that this rose would be able to make it in a no-spray garden in the hot and humid south?
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It NEEDS to be sprayed for mildew in Southern California near the coast. I normally spray weekly, but I missed last week, and it's already got some mildew on the upper leaves. So, here in mildew heaven at least, you can't even skip one week of spraying.
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Doesn't sound too promising for me then. I'm not sure if we have mildew here, but I wouldn't be surprised. Thanks for the quick response!
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I do spray here in my zone 5/6 northwest Missouri garden for blackspot and powdery mildew. But, I know that last year I got behind my spraying quite alot and the BS and PM pressure was quite heavy here on my roses. Even so, my bush of Parole/Buxom Beauty stayed very clean and had none to very little fungus problems at all. So, IMOH I think it is pretty disease resistant for me. I wouldn't be afraid to give one a try in a no-spray garden in my area. Your climate is different from mine, so I couldn't go so far as to say it is disease resistant in your area. If someone in your specific area is growing it, they would have a better foundation to build on than I. It is a lovely rose and I wouldn't mind haveing another one or two. John
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John Moody, your descriptions have encouraged me to go ahead and try Buxom Beauty. I live in New Orleans, like A-L, and I can say that although blackspot is clearly a major disease here, powdery mildew really is not. It prefers somewhat cooler temps that what we have for most of the growing season, and frequent rain showers we receive also acts against the mildew. The only times I've ever had to contend with PM have been briefly in early spring and late fall. Having said that, I spray preventively for blackspot, because only a very few modern roses would actually look healthy here without it--I know some might disagree. But with regular --or even semi-regular-- spraying of Bayer Advanced Disease Control (the stuff with the tebuconazole in it) and occasional turns with Manzate, blackspot has been completely manageable here. So A-L, you might reconsider Parole/Buxom Beauty and see how it does. Mike
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I live on the West coast of Canada and grow this rose in a large container. I don't spray my garden at all and this rose manages just fine. Absolutely no blackspot for me, and p. mildew is not really an issue. I think you will enjoy growing it!
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Give this rose some time to become established on it's own roots. It's worth the wait.
Reminiscent of 'Louis Phillippe'.
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Do you know of anyone selling this rose? Ashdown and Sequoia are both, unfortunately, no longer in business.
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No, I still have it here. Hopefully some growers will eventually pick it up again
So many nurseries are no more.
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Available from - Countryside Roses http://www.countrysideroses.com/
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