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My Just Joey has one cane with 4 blooms, like a floribunda. Is that common for JJ? Would someting like that be considered a sport? I have a photo if anyone would like to see what I'm talking about. Thanks,Dove |
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Dove, please do include a photo.
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This is the pnly cane of the bush with 4 blooms
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That's not 'Just Joey'. I can tell by the foliage alone. JJ has somewhat undulated, feathery, and lightly-pointed foliage.
That may be 'Sunset Celebration' with some off-coloring.
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Any guesses out there ?
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#4 of 10 posted
20 MAY 06 by
Wendy C
That photo doesn't look like any Just Joey I've ever seen. Has this bush always looked like this? The bloom shape and color isn't like JJ. Is it possible this is a mislabled rose? |
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Hi, Dove. I know the "definition" of a Hybrid Tea is generally accepted as one bloom per stem, but roses are such a mixed bag of traits. It is VERY common for HTs to bloom in small to large clusters, just as it is for floribundas to provide one flower to the stem. Cluster flowering is pretty common in the several species represented in modern roses. Your cluster of blooms on Just Joey is well within the norm for not only that rose, but just about any other Hybrid Tea you could find for sale. It wouldn't be considered a sport unless the flowers were materially different from the others the plant usually produces, such as fewer or greater number of petals, different color, stripes, mottling, etc.; the growth noticably different as in elongated canes as in the case of a climber, or much more dwarf resembling a mini mutation, etc.; or something like a very fragrant rose regularly producing a scentless one, or vice versa. When the characteristic is one which is common within the range of traits possible, it's not a mutation, just an expression of what the thing CAN do. You may have never seen Just Joey do what it's doing for you at the moment, but it's a common thing to find on it, and most other Hybrid Teas.
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Hi Kim, I have seen my Floribundas produce a single flower and have read that Grandifloras may or may not produce multiple blooms, but wasn't aware that was the case with Hybrid Teas. I can always count on you for informative and educational responses. "...just an expression of what the thing CAN do" So in a nut shell Just Joey is showing off... cool. Dove |
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Hi Wendy, More than likely it's my photographic abilities (or lack thereof) that didn't capture the bloom in all it's Just Joey glory. I was trying to get a good view of the multiple stems. Cheers,Dove |
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#8 of 10 posted
22 MAY 06 by
Cheryl
Hi Dove, I'd be very surprised if this is 'Just Joey'. I'm with Wendy here. The buds are not right. The blooms are not right. The foliage is not right. The growth pattern is not right. The colour is not right. I've taken hundreds of shots of 'Just Joey' and have many bushes of it. I think that it will turn out to be something else. I have never seen multiple flowers on any stems. The stems on 'Just Joey' would be too weak to carry numbers of such large blooms. Cheryl Moore |
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I was looking for a strongly fragrant perfumed floribunda pink rose when a knowledgeable friend suggested that I should try out Radox Bouquet.
So, I looked up several mail order catalogues, and to my surprise, several of them classified Radox Bouquet as a Hybrid Tea rose, and some suppliers categorise the fragrance as 'mild'.
So, I am now confused ....... to those who have/had experience with Radox Bouquet, please let me have your opinion on the following:
1) Is Radox Bouquet a floribunda rose bush, as stated in this site http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=5062&tab=1
2) How would you rate the fragrance / perfume of Radox Bouquet (mild ? medium ? or strong ?)
Looking forward to your opinion.
Thanks in anticipation
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#1 of 4 posted
3 SEP 07 by
Cheryl
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Hi HelpSeeker,
I grow 'Radox Bouquet'. It is definitely a floribunda. It has strong fragrance in the cooler months and much milder fragrance in the hottest months. Unfortunately, most roses, apart from the very fragrant 'reds', can't sustain fragrance at the same level all year. There are periods of ups and downs. Hope this helps.
Cheryl
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Thank you for your comments and advice, Cheryl.
Apologies for the late acknowledgement of your reply.
My Radox Bouquet started blooming recently, and I am certainly very pleased with its flower form, its vigour, its colour, and most of all its fragrance ...... it is one of the most fragrant floribunda rose I have come across ....... (almost as strong as Angel Face) ...... :-)
I have been told that red and/or pink floridunda roses seldom have a good fragrance, so I am very thrilled to have planted the Radox Bouquet.
Cheers !!!
p/s: Just one little comment to add ..... the older blooms tend to fade to a pale pinkish-white ...... is that normal?
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#3 of 4 posted
20 DEC 07 by
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I saw RB last June in Regents' Park* in London, where the sheer quantity of bloom made it really stand out even among so many other outstanding varieties being grown to perfection: the plants were already nearly 5' (1.4m) tall, with impeccable lush foliage and amazing fragrance despite the cold and rain that day. (I'm not very keen on pink but this one is getting a prime spot in my garden!)
*If you get the chance to visit there, it's located along the right-hand edge of the park about 100 yards (100m) from the main gate in the southwest corner.
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(Sorry, P.S. re floribunda: yes, the individual blossoms are floribunda-sized (~3"/8cm), and those of us in colder zones will probably have to cut our bushes back further than those in London.)
- Paul_Munich
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What stunning color !
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#1 of 1 posted
8 AUG 07 by
Cheryl
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Thank you Admin. Much appreciated.
Cheryl
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2 FEB 05 by
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I will pay anyone $100 for a budwood specimen of this rose. Please contact me if you are growing this older version of Kordes' Valencia and I will take care of all of the details. Thank you!
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Hi, I have budwood for the Valencia you are looking for. It is a strikingly beautiful warm apricot with great form and scent. It appears to be unvirused. Let me know if you still need it and exactly what you want. Thanks, Susan
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#2 of 28 posted
18 APR 05 by
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Would you be willing to sell me some of the budwood also? Have been looking for this one for a long time.
Thanks,
Mike Bundick
xxxxxxx@netscape.net
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We have removed your email address from your post as this will attract spammers. Instead please register on HelpMeFind and record your email address there. It will not be displayed but people can contact you through HelpMeFind and if you like you can still remain anonymous.
Smiles,
Lyn
helpmefind.com
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#8 of 28 posted
20 APR 05 by
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Lyn: Please forward my E-mail address to Mike Bundick. Thank you! Bob
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#9 of 28 posted
21 SEP 05 by
BoMarkSF
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I ran the ad in ARS magazine for four months and not one single reply! I am very disappointed, but I still have hope. Someone somewhere at some point in time will read this post and contact me and the Valencia of 1967 will live on! Please, if you know ANYTHING, contact me. Thank you!
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#5 of 28 posted
19 APR 05 by
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Mike: Susan's Valencia is the Kordes 1989 version. I have now placed a want-ad in the American Rose magazine for budwood of Valencia 1967. If I am successful, I will be happy to let you know. Please send me your E-mail address. Thanks.
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Sorry for the inevitable flurry of excitement my mistake caused. Good luck! You might want to somehow ask people at the upcoming Heritage Rose Foundation conference in California (May 12-14, 2005). By the way, I don't sell roses, I just have a garden.
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#7 of 28 posted
20 APR 05 by
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Susan: That's okay.....an honest mistake. I still appreciate your taking the time and effort to respond to my query. I have thought about the Heritage Rose thing too; great idea! Sorry, the way all of the roses from your garden are listed on HMF, I assumed that you were also in the business of selling. I am still optimistic. The person who supplied the picture of Valencia 1967 to HMF prefers to remain annonymous. I believe she resides somewhere in Canada, but that is just a hunch. Please, if you're out there somewhere and you read this.....have mercy on me! Thank you.
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#4 of 28 posted
19 APR 05 by
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Dear Susan, Thanks for your response. I checked the list of roses that you are offering for sale under the name of "Eel River Roses". As I had feared, you are referring to the newer Kordes version of Valencia, which was introduced in 1989. To make matters worse, Kordes has an even newer Valencia, which they introduced last year! That makes three times in the last thirty-eight years that they have used the same name. That is not doing any of us in the rose world any good! Again, the Kordes Valencia that I seek was introduced in 1967 and was the Jackson & Perkins Rose of the Year that year. It is also classified as an apricot blend HT, as is your Valencia. The colors are very different however. Valencia 1967 is an apricot-gold, similar to Oldtimer, or the new rose About Face. Your Valencia 1989 is the color of peach ice cream. It is also an awesome rose and I have been growing in for the last ten years. Alas, the search goes on. Thanks again for your interest.
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#10 of 28 posted
28 OCT 06 by
digger
I didn't realize this thread was here. An elderly friend has had Valencia (1967) in her yard since the 70s. I was familiar with the 89 version and thought she was mistaken or had a mismarked rose when she told me it was Valencia. That was back in 1995. Once I found HMF, I realized that there was a earlier Valencia. Lu was very pleased when I told her I was the one in error and her Valencia was one I had not been aware of. We take her to the grocery today and I will see if she will give up any cuttings. This is the wrong time of year to be cutting roses in Montana. It may have to wait until spring if she is agreeable. Valencia is a tough rose. Luella refuses to protect her roses. It is at least 30 years old and still going strong. Dave |
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#11 of 28 posted
29 OCT 06 by
BoMarkSF
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Dear Dave, This is truly remarkable news! If this is true, you have not only made me very happy personally, but you have also done a great service to rose growers everywhere. I knew that if I was patient, eventually I would hear some good news on this matter. What I find shocking is not so much that the rose exists, but that according to your post this specimen of Valencia '67 is a 30 year old plus bush, growing in Montana and unprotected from the ravages of the harsh winters characteristic of the region. I grew this rose as a young man in my native Detroit from 1967 through the end of the 70's, when it disappeared from commerce. Anyone familiar with this rose knows that it is extremely sensitive to cold. In Michigan I found myself replacing it nearly every spring, as if it were an annual plant! It also was notorious for cane die-back. If you are not familiar with that term, it means that after a number of years in the ground, an otherwise healthy rose would just sort of spontanteously self-detruct; with a blackish blight beginning at the tip of each cane and moving downward towards the union bud. Eventually, this affliction would destroy the entire plant and it would die. There is no known scientific explanation for this phenomena, some roses are just more suseptible to this condition than others. Anyways, you are correct in saying that this is not the time of the year to be harvesting cuttings from your friend's plant. If you would please follow-up on this and keep me posted, I would be eternally grateful. Please respond at your leisure to my internet E-mail address, which is BOMARKSF@AOL.com I am sure that we can work out the details of pursuing this endeavor further. I will wait to hear from you. Meanwhile, God bless you and take care! Bob Marker, San Francisco, CA
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#12 of 28 posted
29 OCT 06 by
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Bob, Please let me know how this plays out - I would be glad to assist anyway I can and would love to be able to buy a plant, cutting or budwood. This is good news. Mike Bundick |
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#13 of 28 posted
30 OCT 06 by
BoMarkSF
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Hey Mike, good to know that you're still out there! I have not heard back yet from Dave, but hope that I will soon. I will definitely keep you in the loop. Take care. Bob Marker, San Francisco, CA
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#14 of 28 posted
30 OCT 06 by
Cheryl
I know the older 'Valencia' is floating around over here in Australia so at least it is not lost to all mankind. Probably doesn't help you much if you are in the US. It's a beautiful thing. Almost an orange. I have the later one so I know the differences between them. I hope that you are fortunate in your searching. BTW There is a photo of the rose you are looking for on James Young's website at http://www.jamesyoungpicturelibrary.com/netpub/server.np?quickfind Cheryl |
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#15 of 28 posted
30 OCT 06 by
digger
Lu says she would be happy to send wood . She loves sharing plants. Reimbursement for postage/handling is all she will accept. Valencia was planted with the bud union below ground level. Deb and I have taken care of her roses since her husband died. Valencia is not cane hardy here and every year I prune it down to ground level. I don't recall it ever having live cane above the leaves that blow into the garden. Though we are zone 4/5 here in Billings, some notoriously tender roses thrive for us if we can get them through their first winter. Brandy even survived a couple winters before I began protecting in winter. This was her 11th season in our yard and she is one of our best. A Peace that Deb's grandmother had here is 30+ years old and still going strong. It was never protected. Deb seems to love to get roses that won't survive here. Her latest is Color Magic. I warned her in 2005 that people in zone 6 couldn't get CM to survive winter. You know it is coming.... what rose not only survived winter but was one of our best roses in 2006, yeah, it was Color Magic. Check our rose list here or at http://65.18.154.219/digger.com/gallery/albums.php and you will think I am full of it claiming some of the tender roses we have thrive here. I get very tired of hearing that Sterling Silver can't be such a good rose in our zone (or anywhere). I have told folks for years that Deb, Luella and her late sister, Edna (Deb's best pal for years) were powerful garden sorceresses that could grow anything. I was joking, of course... or was I? Sorry about getting carried away. Valencia seems like many of our tender roses. Doesn't resent being pruned back to the ground every spring and comes back every year to put on a great show. Now the bad news, blown blooms resemble the photo that you feel is in error. Buds and opening blooms don't have much blush or pink in them. Aged blooms definitely do on Lu's plant. |
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#16 of 28 posted
26 JAN 07 by
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Hi,
Just wondering if your friend is still open to sharing cuttings or budwood come spring. Any reimbursement she needs would be no problem, as I have been searching a long time for this one and am very anxious to get it back. Just keep me informed and again thanks very much.
Mike
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#17 of 28 posted
26 JAN 07 by
BoMarkSF
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Haven't heard a peep out of anyone on this since last year. They are having a really bad winter there this year, so I doubt that any pruning or budwood harvesting will take place until late April/early May. I will pursue this further as spring approaches. I will let you know what develops. Take care. Bob Marker, San Francisco, CA
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#18 of 28 posted
26 JAN 07 by
digger
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Haven't forgotten. Valencia is buried in snow. I have been piling extra on it this winter. We were at -21°F a few days ago. That wasn't wind chill. 25 mph breeze had wind chill around -50. Pretty much a normal winter. We don't get blooms here until mid June and that is if we don't get a hard freeze in May. All exposed cane is dead and I'll have to wait for new growth to harvest.
Dave
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#19 of 28 posted
27 JAN 07 by
BoMarkSF
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Dear Dave, That's great! Thanks for the update. Please keep me posted as spring approaches. Take care. Bob Marker, San Francisco, CA
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#20 of 28 posted
10 APR 07 by
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Bob,
Just reminding you to keep me in mind, have been doing cuttings of Lucille Ball and Plum Crazy for people whoare in the same state about those varieties as you and I are with Valencia. Really looking forward to at least a shot at having it again.
Mike
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#21 of 28 posted
13 APR 07 by
BoMarkSF
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I haven't heard from the Boyds recently, but I am sure that I will as spring unfolds. I don't imagine that pruning in Montana would take place until the end of this month anyways. It really depends too what is made available to us. Soft, new, green growth might be okay for cuttings, but I would rather work with dormant bud eyes and have them grafted to good understock. That would require more mature wood. Do you have any thoughts on this? Pros and cons? Stay in touch! Bob
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#22 of 28 posted
13 APR 07 by
digger
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I'll be pruning in the next couple weeks. All that cane will be dead. All cane above ground is graveyard dead in spring. Lu had triple bypass surgery a couple weeks ago and is in the hospital. If she doesn't recover enough to go home, the house is to be sold. I may have to transplant it in our yard. The earliest cuttings would be available would be July after the first flush. That would not be mature wood. I don't know if transplanting will cause a delay if I have to go that route.
Dave
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#23 of 28 posted
13 APR 07 by
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Sorry to hear of her illness I hope she recovers fully from the surgery. Moving a bush as old as that one apparently is is risky so whatever the outcome, ie, cuttings for me or not, please take some yourself prior to moving it just in case. And for me green wood is fine for cuttings.
I will keep you both in my prayers
Mike
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#24 of 28 posted
15 APR 07 by
BoMarkSF
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Dear Dave, Thank you so much for staying on top of this for us! I am so sorry to hear about Lu's illness and I wish her a complete and speedy recovery. For my purposes of grafting to understock, cuttings after the first wave of bloom would be ideal. Please keep me posted as things progress. Bob Marker, San Francisco, CA
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#25 of 28 posted
12 JUL 07 by
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Bob,
Have you heard anything on the status of the budwood or cuttings on Valencia?
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#26 of 28 posted
14 JUL 07 by
digger
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Bad news. I went to Lu's house to a few weeks ago to get some roses and cuttings. Luella will have to stay in a nursing home and the house is being sold. The entire garden is new sod. I called her guardian and was told she forgot to let me know she had hired a landscape company to get rid of the gardens. I called the company and all the plants removed were loaded on a truck and taken to the landfill. I can't even tell Lu what happened. It would upset her too much. I'll let her think Patsy Cline, Valencia and some others are in our garden. Getting angry typing this so I'll have to be brief. Sorry I got your hopes up.
digger
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#27 of 28 posted
14 JUL 07 by
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What a sad sequence of events.
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#28 of 28 posted
16 JUL 07 by
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Very sad indeed - that may have been the last existing plant in the US for all we know. I will continue to search overseas - I heard it is still in Australia.
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