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13 AUG by
csb
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Recently added to my garden is a winner in my hot and dry climate. The first and second year almost all my roses suffer until well established, not this.
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That is a truly beautiful rose and it's fragrant? Did it inherit the 'Golden Celebration' growth habit?
It would, I am sorry to say, need a different name to be sold in the USA. Breeder's right to do his or her own naming vs. "Gol durn it it's my money." Kordes sells a lot of roses in the USA because their marketers use names from American popular culture. Which I think they have no business using, but that is just me.
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´Baronesse´:
sport of ´Mariatheresia´
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Thank you for the information, but do you have a reference we can use to document the lineage ?
Smiles,
Lyn
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Hello Liz,
I am a licensee of Rosen Tantau, every year I go to the field of this company in search of new varieties. Likewise, in 2007. Before the variety "Baroness" was the info:
"Baronesse (Mariatheresia - Sport)" - See pictures
2012, I had this variety in a pot. And I found a pale pink flowers on the pink ´Baronesse´:
See pictures.
A Sport? No, it's the mother plant: ´Mariatheresia´.
Other references I have not.
Perhaps it is sufficient?
Sincerely yours
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Hi Hortz...
Yes, this is information ! Thank you for getting back to me.
On HMF we treat sports as separate plants and give them their own rose page with their own rose name.
Have you named your sport ? Will it be introduced into commerce after it has been tested by Tantau ?
What I think is best to do is to give your rose a unique name, set up the rose page and list you as the "discover, of the rose. We can listed it as "Pending Introduction", if it is not already in commerce.
You can send me a PM with as much information about the plant characteristics as possible
and we can move any photos to the new rose page as the sport is different from the Evers rose. If, after testing, the rose is introduced, we can up date the new rose page with that information. This time we can also list the lineage. Thank you ..... I just happen to be a lineage nut.
Please let me know how you wish to proceed.
Smiles,
Lyn
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Hi Liz,
(my name is "Horst", not "Hortz" - smile!)
'Baroness' is a sport of 'Mariatheresa'! Tantau has the licenses of these roses. The names are from Tantau. I just wanted to show, 'Baroness' is a sport of 'Maria Theresa'. (How 'Winchester Cathedral' of 'Mary Rose' or 'Burgundy Ice' from 'Iceberg' (= 'Schneewittchen', Kordes 1958) ...)
(In my case is 'Baroness' fallen back into the mother plant ... that's all!. But a good proof of "parentage" ...)
Smile
Horst
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Dear Horst,
Did you ever have a chance to see striped blooms on your Baronesse?
Mine almost always have stripes. Unfortunately, I don't have many pictures of this rose, just posted one today and you could see white stripes.
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Dear Amelia,
Sorry for the delay, we are now just back from a trip abroad.
Striped flowers I had not at that sort. But another member told me about it too. Your photo shows it well.
In my experience these sports often show this "back to the mother." "Winchester Cathedreal" - "Mary Rose", "Burgundy Ice" - "Iceberg" ("Schneewitchen") and many others.
If you still can make more photos available at HMF, it would be good. Make those photos more clearly the origin of the variety.
Greetings
Horst
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#7 of 8 posted
6 FEB 13 by
csb
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Hello,
I have 3 plants of Baronesse buy directly from Tantau and all 3 have the white stripes.
Cris
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8 SEP 19 by
 jedmar
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One proof that 'Baronesse' is a sport of 'Mariatheresia' is that its code according to Tantau's Trademark listing is Tan97094 EdV. Tan97094 is 'Mariatheresia'. The EdV ending is found several times with other sports commercialized by Tantau, too. I suppose it is a kind of provisional breeder code until they are certain that the sport is stable.
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5 MAY 14 by
csb
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How large, tall and wide, does Candlelignt get? Not sure if I have the right spot for this one. I live in Spain, zone 9, and in general roses here have the "bad habit" to grow larger than the size the breeder specify.
Thanks!
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5 DEC 12 by
csb
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In Spain this rose is sold by the name "Pau Casals".
See reference in Ferrer's catalogue (http://rosalesferrer.com/descargas_publico/catalogo_10_11.pdf):
"Pau Casals "Meifaissel". Sturdy plant with abundant foliage of a dark green colour. Height 80-90 cm."
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5 DEC 12 by
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