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Domenico 67 
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20 MAR 15 by
moriah
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If you have one on it's own root, you only need one as the roots spread and shoots come up near by.
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Wow that's good, as I love this cultivar, and just bought one on own roots!
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#3 of 19 posted
10 JUN 23 by
Jay-Jay
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It suckers a lot, maybe more than You would like it to do.
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Ok... I'll see if I love this rose enough ahahah
Anyway, this is another very Gallica-like trait. This plant is really like a strongly reblooming Gallica hybrid. Pretty unique in the entire rose world, I think.
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Update: my own roots Rose de Resht is doing unbelievably well, despite being still in a 6 l container. She's suckering and blooming like there's no tomorrow, developing in a thick mass of fragrant foliage and developing flower buds (she had already given a fair number of blooms before).
I'm keeping all my new roses well watered and fertilized, and I added some mycorrhizal supplement too.
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Hi Jay-Jay. Just came across these comments in relation to Rose de Rescht. We have one here going into it's third season, own root, and I've just noticed there are five small new shoots about 20cm tall growing about 20-30cm from the plant. All are covered in leaflets. Are you saying these would be defined as suckers as for me they are new shoots from the root of the cultivar? I plan to carefully dig them out and plant them around the garden. One of our favourite roses here, flowers almost continually from late May until December. Cheers
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#13 of 19 posted
2 days ago by
Jay-Jay
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Do You have photo's?
At my place, at first the suckers appeared at that distance too, later on at 50cm.
It doesn't go berserk as for suckering.
I would suggest let them grow this season and dig them up in Fall. Than plant them at new places...
Or dig them up now, prune off 1/3 and pot them. Plant in Fall or Spring next year.
Good luck, Bonne Chance!
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Jay-Jay thank you for your reply and advice. I will see how much the new offspring grow in the next month and maybe replant them elsewhere in the gardens in the autumn. Two photos uploaded for you.
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#15 of 19 posted
today by
Jay-Jay
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From: mgnv.org/plants/glossary/glossary-sucker/
A sucker is a sprout or slim branch of new growth at the root or base of the plant. Suckers are often able to put out their own roots and become new plants that are clones, genetically identical to the parent plants.
As for the web-address, I'm not able to post a complete link.
As for the photo's on that website: very informative.
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Jay-Jay thank you for the definition from the Master Gardeners if Northern Virginia, I will disagree with them as the English word sucker is mostly and wholly a negative word indicating that something is being taken from something, in this case to undermine / weaken the plant, whereas here we are discussing the natural proliferation of the mother plant, in good health and contented with it's natural surroundings. For what it's worth Treloar Roses has a reasonable explication www.treloarroses.com.au . Personally I prefer to simply call them new shoots as opposed to water shoots. Kind regards Peterloud@free.fr
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Many of the old roses we find on roadsides and in not-yet-tidied cemeteries or old neglected gardens have survived because they sucker. Likewise the ramblers survive because they root down (layer themselves). They spread into a more prosperous area, or spring back after being cut down or burnt, because some parts are in relatively sheltered spots.
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#19 of 19 posted
today by
Jay-Jay
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What do YOU consider as "water-shoots"?
The term (in Dutch) "waterloten", when used for fruit-trees, is often misleading... or even wrong.
What You call "new shoots" is called over here, describing it: "Grondscheuten" or "Worteluitlopers"... "Ground-shoots" or "Root-shoots".
A sucker is a new shoot from a root. Often after wounding the root.
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#16 of 19 posted
today by
Jay-Jay
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From MGNV, when looking for "Sucker plant Definition"
From: mgnv org plants glossary glossary sucker
A sucker is a sprout or slim branch of new growth at the root or base of the plant. Suckers are often able to put out their own roots and become new plants that are clones, genetically identical to the parent plants.
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#6 of 19 posted
24 JAN 24 by
odinthor
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'Rose de Rescht' seems to have been confused in commerce with 'Rose du Roi'. I have had a very healthy own-root 'Rose de Rescht' for decades, and never once has it produced a sucker or runner. This was discussed in another (now-gone) forum of knowledgable old rose experts years ago, and the consensus was that there is a large contingent of supposed 'Rose de Rescht' out there which are actually 'Rose du Roi' specimens, as a large group of people had the "runner version," and an equally large group had the "never any runners version." Unfortunately, none of the posters had both, so a point by point comparison of them was never posted.
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#7 of 19 posted
24 JAN 24 by
Jay-Jay
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Which of the photographed or pictured Roses du Roi do You mean?
Almost none look like the picture Jonathan Windham posted.
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#8 of 19 posted
24 JAN 24 by
odinthor
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My point is in relation to comments on suckers or runners vis-a-vis 'Rose du Rescht' and 'Rose du Roi', not any of the HMF pictures of 'Rose du Roi'.
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#9 of 19 posted
24 JAN 24 by
Jay-Jay
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I'm not talking about pictures odinthor.
I'm referring to which of those roses de-pictured as Rose du Roi would You like to compare with those depictured as Rose de Rescht as for the habit of suckering?
What withholds You from comparing Yourselves? I would be interested in Your outcome.
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I'm told that "Rose de Rescht" in commerce in Australia is now consistently what we think is Joasine Hanet. Which suckers.
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#11 of 19 posted
25 JAN 24 by
Nastarana
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'Joasine Hanet', AKA "Portland from Glendora" in the USA is a tall rosebush. Mine grows to about 5' and I think it gets even taller in warmer climates. I believe 'Rose de Resht' remains at around 3-4'.
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Just bought it online at a German nursery, as it's very difficult to find it in Italy.
I bought it in container, and it arrived with a few buds already, obviously slightly stressed from the shipment and with some broken branches (the packing was probably not the best possible).
Despite this, it really put out several flowers, which are opening now.
I can already say that the flowers look very true to many photos I saw in the internet. They're ruffled in a good captivating way, shallow cup reminiscent of Jacques Cartier, but with somewhat fewer and larger petals... They definitely have a nice, full "ancient rose" character. They're not very large, and this is exactly what I was expecting.
The color is close to its "sister clone" Gertrude Jekyll, but perhaps slightly lighter, especially by the 2nd/3rd day.
The fragrance is wonderful, it exceeded my expectations, almost pure powerful damask to my nose, and I would say that in my climate it's even slightly outplaying that of its sister clone Gertrude.
The foliage is light green, mostly opaque, very Portland in style, but its stems have just a little bit of the balsamic fragrance typical of Portlands and other Old roses. So far, it's completely disease free.
For now, I can stay that I'm very satisfied and happy of my purchase (I also bought a Fisherman's Friend and a William Shakespeare 2000 with it, all clones that are being put out of catalogue by Austin roses).
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Just casually found a young (but very vigorously growing and nearly fully blooming) plant of James Oak at a local dealer in downtown Genoa (Italy). I already saw pictures of this new variety, but wasn't nearly as impressed as I was when I saw it in person. Believe me, this rose is an absolute stunner.
It's form is like a big, full, perfectly formed rosette, somewhat smaller on certain lateral buds. I'd describe it as a morphing of Charles de Mills and an older Austin rose (Gertrude Jelyll?), or maybe as a giant and fuller Rose de Resht. Never seen such a flower form in an Austin rose before, and all buds has unfolded perfectly so far.
Its colour is strongly reminiscent of
old Austin's Othello to me, including the yellow insertion of petals, but it beautifully fades to lilac pink on external border, like some old Gallica hybrids.
And the fragrance... it would be enough to buy this rose. A very powerful Bourbon smell (Mme Isaac Pereire), with some fine Gallica aroma and some ripe raspberry. Absolutely mouthwatering.
At the dealer, I had approached these flowers very skeptically, anticipating a very likely delusion (imagining that it's not possible for such a beautiful rose to have also a beautiful fragrance LOL), expecting a slight unpleasant tea/meaty smell like Pierre de Ronsard or some other modern shrub roses, or at best an almost undetectable rose fragrance... Instead, I put my nose into one of the most powerfully and beautifully fragrant roses I ever smelled! It was already mine. Decision taken in 0,1 sec.
P.S. I'd be not surprised at all if Othello would turn out being in its genealogy.
Update: after about one month and half, it turns out being as beautiful as ever, as powerfully and yummly fragrant as ever, pretty fast to rebloom, and vigorously sprouting from graft zone... but it also turns out being somewhat prone to blackspotting on older foliage (luckily, she gets new leaves in no time).
Nobody's perfect.
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Im looking to try a little cross breeding project do you know weather or not this is fertile in pollen or makes hips? and if not which DA are not sterile
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My "Royal Jubilee", which I casually bought as a containr plantin early spring, is now sprouting strongly and giving flowers a little bit more freely. They're beautiful, a loose cup similar to some types of peonies, of a nice silvery pink.
Flowers are healthy and nice looking until now, and the fragrance is not the strongest but very good, similar to that of strongly fragrant HT "Baronne E. de Rothschild";... a particular, distint variant of "pure rose" fragrance, which I'm not certain about how to describe.. but still good.
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I have been looking for Royal Jubilee! Can you tell me where you found it? Or would you be willing to sell cuttings? I’m sorry if I shouldn’t be asking this. I’m new to this website. I had a chance to buy Royal Jubilee a few years ago when Covid was causing all the problems but money was too tight because of it so I didn’t. Still kicking myself. Thanks!!
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Member Domenico 67 Is in Italy. You are in the U.S.
In the ‘Royal Jubilee’ page, go to BUY FROM (top right), select your COUNTRY - United States, and you could try buying the rose from Garden Valley Ranch in California, or Hummingbird Roses in Michigan.
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Oh my! I am so sorry! I don’t know how I missed that! Thank you for the help. I’m new to this.
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