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Personally, I find it hard to believe that this rose is not in some way, shape, or form related to the hybrid rugosa Hansa. Color qualities are quite similar, if not identical....as is the scent, which is 100% identical to Hansa after a side by side comparison of the two today amongst various other rugosas and hybrid rugosas.
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#1 of 7 posted
16 MAY 10 by
 jedmar
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A Swiss nurseryman told me that many 'Roseraie de l'Hay' in commerce are, in fact, 'Hansa'.
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Do you have any new experiences, infos on the identity of Hansa-Roseraie de l'Ay?
I'm interested as i ordered both of them for this winter and curious if i end up with two specimens of the same cultivar...
Doesn't really matter just curious how for example the bush size is stated in several platform, quite a few portals describe Hansa as 120-150 cm tall max and R.D.L. 150-200 cm - which is quite a big difference if i wanna consider the space available for each cultivar...
Thank you for any information!
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#3 of 7 posted
9 NOV 21 by
jedmar
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The easiest way to distinguish them is by the blooms:
- 'Roseraie de l'Hay' has double blooms with the yellow stamens visible. An early reference from "Journal des Roses" points out the similarity of the bloom to 'Souvenir de Pierre Leperdrieux'. You will find a good drawing of this rose on our listing of it.
- 'Hansa', on the other hand, has full, somewhat irregularly positioned petals, with stamens not evident.
You can see that among the photos of 'Roseraie de l'Hay' some which are definitely 'Hansa', and vice versa.
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Oh thank you for the reply, i'm looking forward to observing them both during next season! :)
Peter
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Jedmar, following my private message, photos of the cultivar.
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#6 of 7 posted
28 APR by
jedmar
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'Roseraie de l'Haÿ' and 'Hansa' are very similar, their blooms are about the same size and both have a strong clove fragrance. 'Hansa' is a bit more mauve than RdH and is more inclined to white stripes. RdH is more pink, sometimes less double, has less often white stripes. I believe that in commerce these two roses are sometimes mixed up - see the photos posted on HMF. I would say your rose is more like 'Hansa'.
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Jedmar thank you. I'm thinking the same, 'Hansa' it could very well be.
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Hello there fellow gardeners. Our Mme Plantier is going into her third season, a slow grower in the first year with, as I recall maybe one solitary flower. Last year was much better, and grew to around 4ft with rather lanky growth which I had to support. Second season, we had a very nice flowering mid June, and then, much to my surprise, a small, two-flowered repeat early September, if I recall correctly. Anyone else had a repeat from this cultiver? We are in the lower Cevennes, just on the edge of a Mediterranean climate.
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20 MAR 15 by
moriah
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If you have one on it's own root, you only need one as the roots spread and shoots come up near by.
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Wow that's good, as I love this cultivar, and just bought one on own roots!
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#3 of 24 posted
10 JUN 23 by
Jay-Jay
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It suckers a lot, maybe more than You would like it to do.
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Ok... I'll see if I love this rose enough ahahah
Anyway, this is another very Gallica-like trait. This plant is really like a strongly reblooming Gallica hybrid. Pretty unique in the entire rose world, I think.
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Update: my own roots Rose de Resht is doing unbelievably well, despite being still in a 6 l container. She's suckering and blooming like there's no tomorrow, developing in a thick mass of fragrant foliage and developing flower buds (she had already given a fair number of blooms before).
I'm keeping all my new roses well watered and fertilized, and I added some mycorrhizal supplement too.
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Hi Jay-Jay. Just came across these comments in relation to Rose de Rescht. We have one here going into it's third season, own root, and I've just noticed there are five small new shoots about 20cm tall growing about 20-30cm from the plant. All are covered in leaflets. Are you saying these would be defined as suckers as for me they are new shoots from the root of the cultivar? I plan to carefully dig them out and plant them around the garden. One of our favourite roses here, flowers almost continually from late May until December. Cheers
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#13 of 24 posted
1 APR by
Jay-Jay
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Do You have photo's?
At my place, at first the suckers appeared at that distance too, later on at 50cm.
It doesn't go berserk as for suckering.
I would suggest let them grow this season and dig them up in Fall. Than plant them at new places...
Or dig them up now, prune off 1/3 and pot them. Plant in Fall or Spring next year.
Good luck, Bonne Chance!
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Jay-Jay thank you for your reply and advice. I will see how much the new offspring grow in the next month and maybe replant them elsewhere in the gardens in the autumn. Two photos uploaded for you.
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#15 of 24 posted
3 APR by
Jay-Jay
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From: mgnv.org/plants/glossary/glossary-sucker/
A sucker is a sprout or slim branch of new growth at the root or base of the plant. Suckers are often able to put out their own roots and become new plants that are clones, genetically identical to the parent plants.
As for the web-address, I'm not able to post a complete link.
As for the photo's on that website: very informative.
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Jay-Jay thank you for the definition from the Master Gardeners if Northern Virginia, I will disagree with them as the English word sucker is mostly and wholly a negative word indicating that something is being taken from something, in this case to undermine / weaken the plant, whereas here we are discussing the natural proliferation of the mother plant, in good health and contented with it's natural surroundings. For what it's worth Treloar Roses has a reasonable explication www.treloarroses.com.au . Personally I prefer to simply call them new shoots as opposed to water shoots. Kind regards pierre
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Many of the old roses we find on roadsides and in not-yet-tidied cemeteries or old neglected gardens have survived because they sucker. Likewise the ramblers survive because they root down (layer themselves). They spread into a more prosperous area, or spring back after being cut down or burnt, because some parts are in relatively sheltered spots.
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#19 of 24 posted
3 APR by
Jay-Jay
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What do YOU consider as "water-shoots"?
The term (in Dutch) "waterloten", when used for fruit-trees, is often misleading... or even wrong.
What You call "new shoots" is called over here, describing it: "Grondscheuten" or "Worteluitlopers"... "Ground-shoots" or "Root-shoots".
A sucker is a new shoot from a root. Often after wounding the root.
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#22 of 24 posted
6 APR by
Jay-Jay
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Peter/PierrelaPierre,
Better not post Your mail-address in a comment, to avoid spam. (You can remove it from Your post)
If You intended to give it to me, to react directly, better put it in a so called "Private Message".
Best Regards, Jay-Jay.
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Hi Jay-Jay,
Can you contact the support dept with details about not being able to post the website link.
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#21 of 24 posted
6 APR by
Jay-Jay
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I did so, HMF Admin.
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I yesterday tried to post a missing plant “Little Rhody” with a link to High Country Roses website listing it for sale. This website would not allow me to post that.
And just tried it again. Still not allowed.
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#16 of 24 posted
3 APR by
Jay-Jay
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From MGNV, when looking for "Sucker plant Definition"
From: mgnv org plants glossary glossary sucker
A sucker is a sprout or slim branch of new growth at the root or base of the plant. Suckers are often able to put out their own roots and become new plants that are clones, genetically identical to the parent plants.
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#6 of 24 posted
24 JAN 24 by
odinthor
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'Rose de Rescht' seems to have been confused in commerce with 'Rose du Roi'. I have had a very healthy own-root 'Rose de Rescht' for decades, and never once has it produced a sucker or runner. This was discussed in another (now-gone) forum of knowledgable old rose experts years ago, and the consensus was that there is a large contingent of supposed 'Rose de Rescht' out there which are actually 'Rose du Roi' specimens, as a large group of people had the "runner version," and an equally large group had the "never any runners version." Unfortunately, none of the posters had both, so a point by point comparison of them was never posted.
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#7 of 24 posted
24 JAN 24 by
Jay-Jay
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Which of the photographed or pictured Roses du Roi do You mean?
Almost none look like the picture Jonathan Windham posted.
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#8 of 24 posted
24 JAN 24 by
odinthor
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My point is in relation to comments on suckers or runners vis-a-vis 'Rose du Rescht' and 'Rose du Roi', not any of the HMF pictures of 'Rose du Roi'.
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#9 of 24 posted
24 JAN 24 by
Jay-Jay
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I'm not talking about pictures odinthor.
I'm referring to which of those roses de-pictured as Rose du Roi would You like to compare with those depictured as Rose de Rescht as for the habit of suckering?
What withholds You from comparing Yourselves? I would be interested in Your outcome.
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I'm told that "Rose de Rescht" in commerce in Australia is now consistently what we think is Joasine Hanet. Which suckers.
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#11 of 24 posted
25 JAN 24 by
Nastarana
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'Joasine Hanet', AKA "Portland from Glendora" in the USA is a tall rosebush. Mine grows to about 5' and I think it gets even taller in warmer climates. I believe 'Rose de Resht' remains at around 3-4'.
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I looked this up because the name seemed unusual. From Wikipedia: "Château Gruaud-Larose is a winery in the Saint-Julien appellation of the Bordeaux region of France. It is also the name of the red wine produced by this property. The wine produced here was classified as one of fifteen Deuxièmes Crus in the original Bordeaux Wine Official Classification of 1855."
You'd think they would have been offered a red rose.
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The rose pictured is stunningly beautiful. This could perhaps be sold in the USA as e.g., Rose Castle, a clumsy translation to be sure, but one which might not put off a buying public which must have its' easy to remember names.
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I can confirm that this rose is indeed stunning and have planted 3 here in our gardens. We are in the lower Cévennes France Zone 7a or 7b. The scent is of lychee fruit and very pleasant it is too. Our soil is slightly acidic and the first bare-root was planted three years ago and after six months in October finally flowered with one solitary but stunning rose the second season was very generous and gave us huge clusters like a floribunda which were simply ready made bouquets ( see photos from last summer ). Now I’ve pegged it and stands almost six foot tall and has blooms all over and is one of the healthiest roses here with next to no BS.
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Hello,
I purchased a Gruaud Larose through Palatine. How much sun does yours receive (ex: full sun, morning sun/afternoon shade)?
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Hello Roselover1
Our most mature plant receives full sun it is pointing almost due south. In fact just had some friends visit the gardens earlier and Gruaud had one saturated ( we’ve had a week of very heavy rain ) half-open flower poking out so I picked it off and presented it as a gift to one of the visitors. With all the rain I wasn’t expecting the rose to have much of a scent but voilà - yes quite perfumed with a strong citrus-lychee note. Lovely scent.
We have four now and the mature one is 3 years old standing at well over 6ft tall and 4ft + wide after only light pruning in March. There must be well over 150 buds on it right now.
Happy gardening. Peter
PS this one is in it’s fourth season was quite slow to develop took around 18 months to establish, one flower then 3-4 then last year dozens and dozens sometimes in groups of 5 or 6 held up almost in a ready-made bouquet.
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You are very lucky to have four of these roses I have been trying to get one and have not had any success. I cried when I heard Palatine was closing because that’s my only hope of getting this rose here in the US if you have any advice for other distributors please let me know
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Hello there. We are in France so can’t help with sending cuttings though I’m sure if you look up sellers of ‘NIRP’ branded varieties, of which Gruaud LaRose is one of, or you could contact them direct in Italy/ France and they may well be able to give you the name of a nursery in the US.
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Palatine announced they would have it ordered for December 2024!!
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