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Little Annie 
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Hi. Just became a member and I have a question. I grew some roses many years ago and want to start growing them again. I'm very interested in two bourbons and cannot make up my mind as to which one. First, Mme. Earnest Calvat or Boule de Neige. I'm in northeastern Ohio, zone 5b and I want very fragrant roses. I love both roses forms, but, I've read that BdN is not very fragrant, yet, it is disease resistant, where MEC is not. I've done as much reading as I can find on both roses. Can anyone growing BdN give me any information on it's scent and the strength of it? I would sure appreciate it as BdN is a more practical rose for me, but, if it's not very fragrant I will pass it up.
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#1 of 7 posted
5 NOV 22 by
Frenzy
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Boule de Neige ist very fragrant, has strong Bourbon/Centifolia fragrance. Also very disease resistant. It will definitely need winter protection in zone 5b though. If I had to chose between BdN and MEC, I would go with BdN.
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Thank you, Frenzy I appreciate the info. I'm in zone 6a and I've read that BDN is winter hardy to zone 5. What is confusing is different nurseries say different things about it. Angel Gardens says it is slightly fragrant and Peter Beale says strong rose scent. When I made the first post I assumed I was still in zone 5 and later found out it's changed to 6. However, I plan on giving all my new roses winter protection for the first year. BND has a smaller rose, but, the shape is just beautiful as are her buds.
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I don’t do any winter protection here in Spokane (my yard is very cold; likely more zone 5 than 6). It usually sails through just fine it’s on the east side of the house.
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For my white roses I ended up getting Madame Plantier, an Alba, and am ordering Madame Hardy as soon as one comes available. I am also getting Konigin Von Danemark ( Queen of Denmark), also and Alba because of their disease resistance and beautiful blooms and fragrance. I planted Madame Plantier late last summer and I worried about it dying over the winter, but, it's leafing out beautifully and looking very healthy, though, small.
Thank you for your reply, princess.
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May I ask where did you find KvD?
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#6 of 7 posted
12 APR by
Lee H.
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I got mine from David Austin US, but alas, they are sold out for this season.
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Both Heirloom Roses and High Country Roses have Konigin Von Danemark. It's such a beautiful rose I don't care if it only blooms once a year. Both roses are sold out right now, but, will be available soon, so, keep lookiing at these sites or put in a wish for them and they will email you when they are ready.
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MY REVEIW POSTED 6/26/23 ON YELP: I ordered 5 roses from Chamblee's on 5/20/23 for a total of $163, which was immediately debited from my bank account. When there was no sign of the roses on 6/6/23, I began to email and call--NO RESPONSE. I got suspicious and read all the recent Yelp reviews, and realized I'd also been scammed. I sent a threatening email to them demanding a refund, and hard copy letters by certified mail to the two addresses on the website. USPS tracking states the letters are undeliverable, ie the addresses that Chamblee's has on their website are fakes. The company responded after my threatening email that they would do an immediate refund, but that was 12 days ago and NOTHING. Today I filed a claim with the BBB (Better Business Bureau), I advise others to do the same. I will also follow up with a complaint at the Federal Trade Commission Office of Consumer Affairs and the TX Attorney General's office. Chamblee's needs to have their website taken down so they don't continue to defraud unsuspecting folks. DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES ORDER FROM THESE PEOPLE. PS: The profile of the nursery on Yelp is the OLD profile from when founder Mark Chamblee ran the nursery. The people running it now are using it as a front so that they look respectable. Poor Mr. Chamblee would have a fit if he knew how his formerly honorable nursery was being operated these days!
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#1 of 19 posted
27 JUN 23 by
Lee H.
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I tried to check out the Chamblee website, and Safari gave me several warning messages, attached. I wonder if their website has been hijacked, or...something. Did you ever talk to anybody by phone?
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Wow, Lee, that's really interesting about the website warnings on Safari. Agreed that they are not to be trusted! My Firefox or Brave browsers are not showing any such warnings, FYI, I just checked. But maybe Safari knows something we don't know? What I DO know is that this is now a scam business, having experienced it firsthand. I wanted to get the word out online to the rose community so that they don't suffer the same fraud that I and others experienced. The Rose community is a wholesome, safe space (normally), so what Chamblee's is doing feels like a violation. And no, I never did get anyone on the phone. They do not answer the phone, it just goes to voice mail or says that the mailbox is full. Their phone must be blowing up with all the people who are not receiving the roses they have ordered.
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#3 of 19 posted
27 JUN 23 by
jedmar
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We are closing this listing until further notice. Comments are still possible.
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Jedmar, what does it mean, closing this listing? And why would that be necessary?
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#5 of 19 posted
27 JUN 23 by
jedmar
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It means that Chamblees will not be shown as a supplier. The fraud information and allegations need to be sorted out. In their Facebook account, a post dated June 17 says:
"We just wanted to share a quick update and let everyone know we are still working through orders. We are a few weeks behind schedule due to some unfortunate circumstances, but we will get caught up here soon. Your support has made this a very busy season for us, and we are extremely grateful for each and every one of you.
Again, if you are still waiting on an order, or a response to communications please message us on here so we can get you taken care of asap. We are working overtime to get everyone’s questions answered as quickly as possible."
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Thank you Jedmar. I am glad that Chamblee's will no longer be listed as a supplier until things are sorted out. I personally believe that they will not be able to turn things around, given what has been going on. I also believe the disclaimer verbiage they have now posted on their site is just a front to string people along. This is the THIRD ownership of Chamblee's; the second ownership was honorable, as was of course the original. However this third ownership is an unmitigated disaster. I have been dealing with them for the past month and it's by far the worst experience I've ever had with an online vendor--for roses or otherwise.
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This would not be the first time a rose nursery's web site has been purchased after the nursery closed, and the domain name went up for sale.
I seem to recall that this happened at least 5 years ago when another small rose nursery closed. The scammers bought the domain name, filled the site with gorgeous photos swiped from the Internet, and people ordered roses that never showed up.
It's a real shame.
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Virginia, I reported this company to the BBB, Federal Trade Commission Fraud Bureau, and the Texas Attorney General's office, as well as requesting my bank reverse the charges (which remains to be seen, I believe it's at the company's discretion). I will update the posting if I succeed in getting a reimbursement. Thank you for bringing up the prior fraudulent rose nursery, I'd be interested to know which one this was. If anyone knows, please post!
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They told me they would refund me twice after I hounded them many times. When I realized it was a farce, I filed fraud though Keybank, and was refunded my funds back. What was most interesting was no invoice. That had never happened with Chamblee's before.
It is sad that another nursery option isn't viable, but that's how this business goes many times.
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Oh Michael, I'm so sorry. But, happy you were able to get a refund. My bank told me it would be up to 90 days to see if they could get my $168 refund, I'm still waiting. And yes, I noticed as well that they did not issue an online invoice with the order, like other online nurseries do. These crooked Chamblee's folks are also operating an outfit in TX called One Love Farms. HMF was featuring it and I wrote a scathing review of it, saying they were behind the fraud taking place via the Chamblee's front. I asked HMF admin to remove One Love Farms from this site. I'll have to check and see if it is still up... In the meantime, there are more BBB and Yelp rewiews from defrauded Chamblee's customers (plus, think of all the defrauded people who are NOT on Yelp or BBB, I'm sure it's the vast majority, sad to say).
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To be honest, I don't even know if BBB is useful anymore, but I know Yelp is because people read it frequently.
It is too bad the former Chamblee's is in the past, but that's a frequent reality of the rose business.
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True, BBB seems kind of old school. Yelp's reviews for Chamblees since spring of this year are a horror show.
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REVIEW ON CHAMBLEE'S I JUST POSTED ON THE DAVE'S GARDEN GARDEN WATCHDOG SITE:
Do NOT under any circumstances order from this nursery. This is the THIRD ownership of the Chamblee nursery, and these folks are nothing short of criminals. I was defrauded of $168 for an order of five roses this past June 2023 that were never sent, and it took me two months to get my charges reinstated with the help of my bank, but only after an exhaustive initiative. I filed a claim with the BBB (to which the company did not respond). I left a negative review on the BBB. I filed a report with the Texas Attorney General's Office. I filed a report on the US Federal Trade Commission 'Report Fraud' page. I left a negative review on the consumer site Yelp. Yelp currently has a dozen reviews (all from 2023) that report being defrauded by Chamblee's. Basically, if you order from them, you will THINK you will get roses, but you will not. The website looks legit. The order process seems legit. But it is NOT, your money will disappear into thin air, and then you will have endless hours of strife and stress trying to get it back. In addition, this Chamblee's ownership also owns an operation called One Love Farms. I'm pretty confident this is ALSO a fraudulent company, why would one be criminal, and the other honest and trustworthy? This whole thing is a darned shame, because the founding Chamblee's was a wonderful nursery that set the standard for rose mail ordering. The second ownership was quite good, although more expensive than the original. It is this third ownership that has sullied and disgraced the name of a formerly honorable nursery, and ran it into the ground. Once they are shut down for good (and they WILL be shut down, this current state of affairs cannot endure indefinitely), it will close the door on the Chamblee's saga in a most unfortunate way. In the meantime, I repeat: DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES ORDER FROM THIS NURSERY. (and do not do business with One Love Farms, either!)
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There's also a site called Birdeye that has some recent negative complaints about Chamblee's. This is so hard to believe...never have seen anything like this from rose nurseries.
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Wow, I'll have to check that out Annie... I was not aware of that review site. And YES, it is so bizarre and disconcerting that this has happened in the rose community. This is normally such a trusting, open bunch of people, and when such things happen, it is shocking and disturbing.
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I am surprised you haven't responded to the posts from someone from Chamblee on the rose forum. If you haven't been in that forum lately you've missed them. Sounds like they are trying to clean up their act and suddenly become good business owners.
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Out of memory, this has happened twice before. I believe one was semi-recent and sold exhibition minis.
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Happened twice before to Chamblee's or to other companies? There is a thread on the rose forum where other people posted that this has happened to them. Chamblee's used to be a great nursery, but, they have many, many complaints in Yelp and other places of almost the same thing....people paid after ordering roses and the roses never came. Contacting the company proved useless.
One of our members in the rose forum just contacted the FBI for online fraud. We are all hoping something can be done. The same people also own One Love Roses and Garden Path.
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Other rose companies. I can't recall their names.
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This winter, this was the only large flowered rose, that withstood the low temps with flying colours.
No freezing back at all or canker! I didn't expect that, regarding my other comment at this rose.
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Jay-Jay, do you still have English Miss? Has she survived this long since you last posted over 10 years ago? I'm thinking of adding her to my rose bed and would appreciate knowing how this rose has done for you.
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#2 of 5 posted
3 OCT 23 by
Jay-Jay
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This rose grew in the wrong direction, got smaller and smaller, and flowered less and less. Got diseases and this year it died.
It was grafted on laxa. Those roses do not last long over here.
I will not replace it. There are better performing roses in my opinion.
PS: it never got bigger in my garden than 40-45cm and that was in its first years. Never reached the described 75cm.
I would strongly recommend Prince Jardinier.
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How disappointing. She's a pretty rose and I love fragrant ones. Thank you for your reply and best of luck with your present roses.
I think I'll stick with some old garden roses instead next spring. M. Hardy and Queen of Denmark. Can't go wrong there.
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#4 of 5 posted
4 OCT 23 by
Jay-Jay
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If You want a fragrant-one, Prince Jardinier (Pretty Perfumella/Pretty Woman and all the other names for this rose) will seal the deal!
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Thanks Jay Jay, but, I think I will stick with the two old garden roses I mentioned. They are much less fussy and very fragrant. I have 8 hybrid teas in the front of my house and M. Plantier and Felicia in the back. That's where I'm putting the two old garden roses. That may be enough roses for me, but, I will keep your suggestion in mind if I decide I need another.
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I planted three Firefighters last May in zone 6 A from Heirloom Roses. All three took off like gangbusters. Healthy, extremely vigorous and started blooming within a few weeks. The fragrance is wonderful...very old rose with hints of raspberry at times. It has had a tiny bit of black spot that didn't bother it at all. I removed the affected leaves and it has remained healthy. My plants are over 3 feet tall since planting and it blooms continually.
I've fed it a 2 2 2 Kelloggs Organic Fish and Kelp emulsion every two weeks during growing season and kept it well watered. It has full sun and 4 inches of shredded, untreated wood for mulch. A lovely rose in every way and I highly recommend it to anyone wanting a beautiful red, fragrant rose.
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2 OCT 23 by
Lee H.
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Annie, I would agree with everything you say, but I’ll add a few downsides (I have five, planted in spring of ‘22): the blooms fade and blue at the petal edges very quickly in warm weather, and they do not like to later shed their petals. And unless you consistently deadhead, they become quite unsightly. That’s just my slightly disappointed opinion, and it really isn’t in line with the majority of rave reviews I read before I purchased them.
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Oh, that's terrible. I've had no bluing on any of the roses. As far as them shedding petals, my plants are in their first year, so, to help the bush I've cut each flower as soon as they open a bit and put them in a vase. I want the bush to concentrate more on the roots. Lee, are you positive you have Firefighter? Could it be you were sent the wrong red rose? I'm also wondering if your soil and mine are different, causing you problems that I haven't had...at least, yet. I have noticed the rose holds it's petals even when it's looking pretty bad in the vase. I don't mind that because I check my roses every day. I'm retired so have the time to do so.
May I ask what you use for fertilizer and how often you are feeding them?
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#3 of 4 posted
3 OCT 23 by
Lee H.
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I got mine from Edmunds, and they certainly seem to conform to their description, otherwise. I feed a blend of nutrients, but the foundation is Alaska Fish fed weekly. I have a lot of red roses, and none of them fade quite so badly on the same diet. And we're right on the banks of the Ohio river, a rich silt loam. I don't know, maybe they're just spoiled ;-)
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Possibly, next year I will see the same bluing as you do because I will leave more roses on the bush. My main goal was to have my roses develop good roots, so, every single bloom has ended up in a vase. I hope they don't turn blue, but, I still love the rose. BTW, I don't think your fertilizers have anything to do with the bluing....I was just curious because some people don't fertilize at all or rarely.
Maybe you'll be happier with FF if you bring more roses inside. I cut them when they are about one half opened and they do well...stay a long time and are fragrant till they are drooping and ready to toss..
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