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I've owned this rose for a few years.
It is virtually disease free and fertile as both a pollen and seed parent.
It has rather small and sparse blooms for the large size of the plant. And I detect no fragrance.
It grows in a rather awkward angular form, about 7 feet tall and 5 feet wide.
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I agree with you, I have the same experience. She is a thorny monster, very irregular and ungainly, grows in all directions. I can’t detect much of a scent (she’s supposed to be of the Parfuma series). But she keeps blooming in our 100F weather (North Texas) like no other. The blooms are not huge but she keeps going. I may need to replant her somewhere else because she is just getting too big even though I prune her severely.
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I will add to this by pointing out that in my Zone 5b (Chicagoland) garden the bloom petals burn so easily. I am having trouble seeing the redeeming qualities of this rose. It's growing well and yes, awkwardly, and blooming well. Only a mild fragrance for me thus far. But Dark Desire's blooms may be the most unattractive of all my 200 bushes. I should shovel prune it as it's occupying valuable garden real estate in a prime location but I'll give it until next summer to see if it improves.
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#3 of 4 posted
20 AUG 22 by
Plazbo
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It's curious the lack of smell. I've smelt it as a few nurseries (I've never bought it) and it's always smelt strongly of potpourri with kind of dusty/soapy tones.
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#4 of 4 posted
13 SEP 23 by
Jay-Jay
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Where it grows in Winschoten (Rosarium) it produces lots of flowers flowers, that are rather large and have a strong pleasant scent... But some of the flowers were almost scentless!!!
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Can we update the size? He’s about 5 ft or taller. Not just for me but also saw that in a rose garden. He gets tall! Definitely not 35 inches!!!
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Agreed! Mine threw out numerous canes that were over 6’ tall, and I only planted this rose as a bareroot this past spring. I’m actually here to see if anyone has grown this rose as a climber. I might just buy an obelisk and let her go. The octopus canes were not a good thing here. But, I love the flowers, the scent, and the overall health (no black spot!).
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Mine is 8+ feet tall grafted on multiflora from Palatine. It's bushy and vigorous. It has long arching canes.
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Almost everything you say about a rose called Excellenz von Schubert is wrong! It is a purple Hybrid Musk, with a delicious heavy scent, not a deep pink Polyantha with no to mild fragrance. Gregg Lowery says: Long clusters of small, full, grape-purple to crimson flowers, sweetly scented, on a plant of moderate growth with burnished, olive-green foliage. A Lambertina of exceptional quality; the bright panicles of bloom make quite a show in the garden. He gives it four r's for repeat bloom, and three f's for fragrance, and lists it among the Hybrid Musks.
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See the comments already on the page for this rose - there seem to be two roses using the name. Does the purple one set hips? Does the pink one?
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#2 of 11 posted
20 MAY 10 by
roses257
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I love the flowers so much that I never let mine set hips. Haven't seen the pink one.
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#3 of 11 posted
20 MAY 10 by
Cass
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I don't recall any hips. I don't deadhead.
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Cass, which one do you have? There are no descendants listed for Excellenz von Schubert; plenty for Gartendirektor Otto Linne.
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#8 of 11 posted
21 MAY 10 by
Cass
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I grow both, Margaret. I have 4 plants of the mauvey, scented, red-caned rose that has pompon-type blooms (sold as EVS). I have only one plant of the pink rose that grows like a floribunda (sold as GOL).
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Would you say that EVS has more cupped blooms as opposed to GOL that never has cupped but more flat? I am trying to figure out what I have, the blooms don’t really look like EVS (are not cupped) and are definitely pink, not mauve/purple or lilac. It’s hard to figure out from pics of these two since it seems like both EVS and GOL have both roses mixed up in pics (I read the discussion on the fact that some nurseries sell them as the other). I bought mine at Antique Rose Emporium if that helps.
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#10 of 11 posted
16 OCT 22 by
jedmar
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I have added some photos of EVS and GOL as they are sold in Europe. The blooms of EVS are mauve-pink, full, rounded, in medium-sized clusters. GOL's blooms are pink, double, in large clusters, which are sometimes pyramidal.
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Thank you for adding the photos. I think mine is GOL (not EVS), don’t you think (pic posted)?
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#4 of 11 posted
20 MAY 10 by
jedmar
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All the early sources agree on 'Excellenz von Schubert' being a carmine-pink rose. This means that the identification by Vintage gardens is incorrect.
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#5 of 11 posted
20 MAY 10 by
roses257
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Could you please cite some of those "early sources"? Thanks
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Roses257............
Just go to the rose page and click on the REFERENCES tab. You will find several references that site both color and class for the rose.
Lyn
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9” bloom diameter? That seems a little excessive. Mine is about 3” but possibly if longer established she might be larger.
Also can we add yellow to colors?
Thank you!
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#1 of 4 posted
11 OCT 22 by
jedmar
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Corrected to 9 cm, thank you!
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I would love to believe that this rose is hardy to zone 4b, but the gardens which have it all seem to be in zones 7 and 8.
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#4 of 4 posted
14 OCT 22 by
jedmar
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Should have been 6a - a mix-up of Fahrenheit and Centigrade. Thank you for the heads up!
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