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Has anyone grown this in Zone 5 (or colder) to determine hardiness? Does the colder zone impact the size?
I know Veilchenblau is quite hardy in moderately cold zones and is still rambunctious.
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22 OCT 17 by
NikosR
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Is Albertine self cleaning or does it hold on its wasted blooms for the rest of the year? This is important to know for rampant ramblers like this if one does not feel deadheading a large rambler under the heat is an enjoyable passtime.
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The 2011 reference says:
" Later the bloom dies most ungracefully and hangs on to its dead petals. Not in a spreading way, but losing all oomph in the petal and just collapsing to hang like a wet dishcloth in the middle of the pretty cluster."
Nevertheless, I would not be without it.
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#6 of 11 posted
24 OCT 17 by
 Jay-Jay
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On this part (Albertine is a triploid and sets no hips) of what You wrote in that article, I have to respectfully disagree as for setting hips... for it sets quite a few hips. See attached photo's I made today. Sorry for the less sharp photo's, for the light-conditions were bad and I didn't have a steady stand and or hand.
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That is so interesting Jay-Jay. You certainly have many hips there.
I've double checked where that information came from and it was G. D. Rowley, writing in the 1960 American Rose Annual, page 110 on Triploid Garden Roses. Among the other Wichuraiana roses he mentioned in the article were 'American Pillar', Dr. W. van Fleet', 'New Dawn', 'Albertine' and 'Emily Gray'.
I actually do have a photo of a miserable hip or two on 'American Pillar' and will add that to its file.
Perhaps it may be that a hip may not signify fertility? But I will be watching my 'Albertine' for hips this year.
Patricia
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#8 of 11 posted
24 OCT 17 by
Jay-Jay
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Maybe it needs our weather?
On the other hand, this year was exceptionally sunny and dry over here.
I'll harvest the hips and sow some seeds.
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#10 of 11 posted
26 OCT 17 by
NikosR
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Being triploid discourages seed fertility, not necessarily hip setting. Hip setting is very much affected by the existence of well developed reproductive organs on the flower.
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#2 of 11 posted
23 OCT 17 by
Jay-Jay
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The dead flowers hang for a while, but after a while, when the hips swell, the petals disappear. But maybe that was due to a lot of rain and wind.
Will observe this next year.
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If you blast the bush with a leaf blower it will remove a lot of the dead flowers. This also works quite well for Camellias.
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Interesting thought. Someone advised me to deadhead a "ground-cover" rose with a golf-club.
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#5 of 11 posted
24 OCT 17 by
Jay-Jay
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I can frequently be seen beating my monstrous Christine Helene with a long stick. I don't know what the neighbours think, and I don't actually care - by this I get rid of all the wilted petals without deadheading. And Christine Helene has hundreds of blooms. While hips form on the beaten part, she makes new trusses on new canes. So that's my low-tech recommendation, beat it with a stick. Love the golf club tip as well.
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I would have never thought about this tip (and the leaf blower) as a way to deal with dead flower petals as an alternative to deadheading a massive prickly shrub. I've avoided getting some of the larger gorgeous roses, because of the deadheading task, so Thank you!
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Does anyone grow this is Zone 6a?
Also, how thorny?
Thank you!
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In my nursery 'Snow Pavement' often shows a subtle shading of the white flowers with lavender. Its so subtle that I would doubt my eyes except that so many customers have commented on it. Andrew Van Cleve of Azalea House Flowering Shrub Farm
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We had a Snow Pavement in a previous garden that had a definite pale lilac blush. It was much taller than listed - easily 5 feet tall.
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6 AUG 22 by
Montana
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What zone were you in (and state) and how much sun? I have 3, will need to move one and now nervous they will get too big for spots. Thanks
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Just picked my first bloom today -- pale lavender and intense delicious fragrance. SP is a 4 yo in full sun and blooms will fade to a white in a day or so, altho occasionally it will retain a pinkish cast to the blooms if the weather remains cool. It is a densely branching 3 x 4.
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'Pavement' is a misnomer. This gets huge. It would be a good choice for a dense, thorny hedge, where that might be needed. If you are in a climate too cold for Mermaid, try this one. Flower color and fragrance are as described above.
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