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Many thanks for this photo Moray. The reduced petalage certainly reflects the hot Perth summers. The next time you are at Araluen, would you mind photographing any hips on ‘Mrs. Fred Danks’. I am seeking a good side-on photograph of an average hip shape. Many thanks.
(HubertG - if you are watching, mine are all round so far)
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5 FEB 20 by
 HubertG
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Patricia, I'm watching, ;-)
I did have another fresh look at the photos of your "presumed Mrs. Fred Danks" and I do feel it isn't 'Mrs. Fred Danks'. There are too many differences in my opinion, including the long flower stems.
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Wonderful. I knew you would be.
I would like to wait until we get more side-on hip photos from people before splitting the file. It would seem from the 2005 reference that there are two similar roses around. One more pink and the other more lilac. However these descriptions are not enough to really distinguish them at this stage. We need something more tangible like the hip shape. It would be really good to get hip photos from the Alister Clark garden at Bulla.
In case my rose does prove to be different, I took the precaution of striking it last January and have a spare plant that I could post in winter if you would like.
And if it is different, I will be equally as pleased because I know it was an old rose and there is the thrill of the identifying chase once more.
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OK. I am not going to wait for hip photos. I ventured out at midday to water the pots to get them through this very hot day and the potted plants of “Ruth Spencer’s Chowerup Pink HT” had white filaments. (Years ago I had also noted white filaments). I’ll make a separate file for my foundling. Thank you very much for your input on my foundling HubertG. It has proved to be most helpful.
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6 FEB 20 by
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Thanks Patricia, you're welcome, glad I could be of some help. I feel that the original 1951 reference, though succinct, sums up 'Mrs. Fred Danks' perfectly:
"A rose which can be grown either as a dwarf or a pillar. It is of good foliage with blooms of pink shaded slightly with lilac. The blooms, which are borne on rather short stems, have only 15 petals, but are very highly perfumed."
Your foundling looks like a great rose to grow - a real survivor - I'd love to grow it! Many thanks.
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Thanks, Patricia. I'd be very happy to do so the next time I'm at Araluen.
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I was under the impression that the ‘Triomphe duLuxembourg’ in Australia was not that, but may in fact, be ‘Rhodologue Jules Gravereaux’. (See the recent references for Triomphe du Luxembourg). I presume that Araluen had a ‘Triomohe de Luxembourg’ label on the plant? Seems odd that having learnt that the rose is incorrectly named, that knowledge is ignored.
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Hi Patricia. Yes, the plant was labeled 'TC50 Triomphe du Luxembourg’. I can confirm it is 'densely armed with prickles' as noted in the reference 'Tea Roses: Old Roses For Warm Gardens (2008) p192.'. Margeret's reference suggests Australian roses labeled 'Triomphe du Luxembourg' may be 'Rhodologue Jules Gravereaux'. I'm cautious about the 'may'. Do you think the photos should be reassigned?
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Yes I do think the photo should be reassigned. Rhodologue Jules Gravereaux is certainly a better bet than Triomphe du Luxembourg. You will note the 2008 reference says “ The rose in commerce in Australia today as the Tea 'Triomphe du Luxembourg', Hardy/Sylvain-Pean, France 1835, IS NOT the original rose.
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Hi Patricia. Many thanks for your help with this. There are plenty of photos of 'Rhodologue Jules Gravereaux' so I've removed them rather than assign them to that plant.
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Oh dear, I didn’t intend that you do that. There are plenty of photos but mine were the only photos from Australia. It would be good to have others as well.
But I do thank you for your promptness.
Keep cool.
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Hello Moray,
You need to reassign (move) your photos out of ‘Mme. Berkeley’ and into "Madame Berkeley (in commerce as)".
Apparently the original rose used to set hips, and this rose at Araluen does not.
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Thanks, Patricia. Done now.
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