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Double Delight isn't a bad plant, and there are much better actual plants out there, however the coloring of DD just can't be beat in the realm of bi-colors. And, they smell amazing. In Houston it may get a touch of mildew in the spring, or a little blackspot. Nothing tragic.
Double Delight is a garden staple and it's easy to see why it has stuck around so long. Everyone stops to gawk at it, everyone has to put their nose in it, and everyone loves it. It's a bit like having an antique car...sure, there are more reliable and more comfortable newer cars available, but the style and cache of this "oldie but goodie" just can't be beat. IMO, they certainly don't make them like this anymore.
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Cherry Parfait here resembles Double Delight very much. It doesn't have any scent to compare, but it grows without the fungal issues and keep pushing new flowers when Double Delight stops. If you love the Double Delight coloring and don't have to have the scent, but want a stronger grower with healthier foliage, try Cherry Parfait.
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Where does this colour changing ability come from? Would it originally have been inherited form a China rose like 'Archduc Charles'?
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Quite possibly. Some China roses deepen with age, heat and UV. European (and American) types fade.
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#4 of 9 posted
15 FEB 17 by
 jedmar
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I believe an important element is 'Rosa foetida bicolor' which is found in the ancestry of many (if not all) red/yellow bicolor roses. This rose has a high concentration of anthocyanin pigments (for red) on the upper side of its petals and an equally high concentration of carotenoid pigments (for yellow) on the lower side. These pigments are then found in varying combinations in its descendants. A good example is 'Rumba', where the red components deepen with time. It is thought that with UV light, biosynthesis of anthocyanins progresses in the direction of higher frequencies of light absorption (darker colours), while biosynthesis of the carotenoids progresses towards lower frequencies of light absorption (orange to light yellow to almost colourless). The resulting effect is that the rose seems to become redder with time. "The Chemistry of Rose Pigments" (1991) by Swiss chemist Conrad Hans Eugster gives a detailed description of these pigments and processes as relating to roses.
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That's very interesting, thank you Kim and Jedmar.
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Thanks for that. Interesting to know, and explains how the 'Charisma' in my garden works.
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#8 of 9 posted
17 JUN 19 by
kgs
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I hear that a lot (about Cherry Parfait being similar to Double Delight) but after comparing both roses in their glory at the International Test Rose Garden in Portland, I see why people say that and yet there's something about Double Delight's coloring that is more complex than Cherry Parfait. Maybe it's that there is more yellow in it.
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For me, Cherry Parfait has not personality or charm. The flowers and color change on Double Delight are much more elegant. It's strange how some roses have that indescribable something, while others of very similar coloring lack.
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I've had a couple of plants of this rose at this juncture, and I have yet to get one to grow well. They have all just struggled along. Has anyone else had this experience? The only other rose I've struggled to grow this much is Signature.
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I purchased my Peach Swirl own root from Heirloom and it has been extremely vigorous, healthy and floriferous in a short time. Plus it's in a container, and not a very large one, at that. If this variety is having RMV issues with grafted stock, then the own root version might be the way to go. Good luck, I hope you get a healthy robust version of Peach Swirl, it's a great rose!
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This is one of those roses I love the look and description of, but it's a victim of Jackson & Perkins absolutely terrible, cringe-worthy, uninspiring, overly commercialized, cutesy, and even downright embarrassing naming program. A child could do better. If the state of their business with how they name roses yields results like this, I feel like it's no wonder that the rest of the organization fell into bankruptcy if it had the same sort of approach and planning!
This is a rose that would probably not acquire due to the name. Maybe I could call it by the breeder code or just give it a much better nickname in my own garden.
I want to try it, and the notes of those whom have grown this rose encourage me.
I love its look, hate the name.
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I wonder if it might be time for some of us to agree among ourselves on some better names for worthy new roses. American writers, respected actors, maybe even American rivers and other geographical features might be among the names considered.
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#7 of 11 posted
29 MAY by
Benaminh
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—edit: duplicate post—
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#8 of 11 posted
29 MAY by
Benaminh
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I wish they would stop naming roses after politicians or their spouses. Might as well name it after a tapeworm or some other parasite. One of my favorite roses is JACsegra — got 20 of them in my garden — but I will never call it by its given name! <YUCK>
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Just call it 'Some Dude'. My family calls the 'Helen Robinson' rose 'British Lady', because we can never remember it. It has no affinity to us. It's a random name to those of us not in the UK or those that follow RHS culture.
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#10 of 11 posted
30 MAY by
Lee H.
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I rather think you’d be happier with AUSpeet.
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#11 of 11 posted
30 MAY by
Benaminh
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Touché, tell that to all the altar boys. Charles Darwin is another one of my favorites — can’t live without it.
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I too hate the name. However, it's a really great rose that far surpasses the lackluster name. It's very vigorous, blooms its head off, and has unique coloring...kinda like Vavoom but with a milky tone. It is so good IMO it almost falls into that Knockout-Iceberg-Belinda's Dream category of easy-to-grow roses.
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There does not seem to be a patent. It could be propagated and sold under any name the seller cared to use.
Do we know who, exactly, at J & P is responsible for the horrible naming?
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#4 of 11 posted
24 MAY 23 by
Lee H.
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Something that bad must have been by committee.
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The committee is hiding behind anonymity and is likely dominated by one overbearing person who wants things to be "cute" and "positive". Unless and until names are publicly named, the offensive monikers will likely keep coming. Protests by Asian Americans, a community of free spending avid gardeners, over 'Ch-Ching'--no way would I buy that, though it looks to be an excellent rose--had no effect on J&Ps naming practices. The worst part of this is that many folks don't realize that the breeders have no say in names, nor, according to Peter Schneider, even on which roses are selected for release.
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Breeders have very little control unless its something like Kordes -- a corporate xfamily affair. Then, I don't know. Even then, they are still at the whim of factors as random as a big box store buyer's lunch choice that fateful day in some random city, USA, that Kordes or whoever have never even been to.
The entire process of rose selection and production is honestly a bizarre affair. Wholesale horticulture in general is an odd duck.
Breeders can say no, I don't want my rose produced, and if they have power (which is ungodly rare), some say in some things. But a breeder would not say no because that's tossing potential money away, unless they saw that going forward would be a financial hit.
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Lavender/mauve/purple roses are usually the worst. They tend to have more disease issues than most, and they usually have to be babied. I assumed Arctic Blue would be the same, but it did great in its first year in Houston. It always bloomed in nice clusters, it bloomed in the worst heat, and it never had any blackspot issues...which is really saying something in Houston for a lavender rose. I'm a big fan after year 1.
Year 2 Update: Yowza. Talk about vigorous. This thing grows like a weed. I also blooms a LOT in big clusters, but they are super informal, somewhat messy blooms. The blooms also get small in the heat, and because of the light color, they don't stand out as much. But, other than that, it's a great little rose if you like those in this color range.
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Hi, I was wondering what the second year size became in your climate? Thanks!!
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