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Usami 
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15 DEC 20 by
goncmg
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Stunned to learn and confirm J&P is only offering this in tree form for 2021. It is a very solid rose and off to a good and enthusiastic start with growers and they basically have pulled the plug.
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#1 of 2 posted
yesterday by
Usami
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5 years later and they have not! It is available for purchase in J&P's website right this moment.
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It was last year, as well.
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4 JAN by
Usami
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What an absolute oddball.
The unpopular colour, the usung, under the radar release, the unpopular climbing miniature class, the unpopular extreme thorniness, the fact no nurseries carry it presently, the fact that the last pictures and comments are from 2012-2015 (That's apparently 10+ years ago, crazy to say it...)
Based on all of this, does anyone grow this still or can this be assumed extinct?
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#1 of 3 posted
4 JAN by
Johno
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Clearly it is not extinct as it is listed on HMF in nine gardens within the USA.
Beauty is very much according to the individual.
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#2 of 3 posted
5 JAN by
Usami
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You'll find many people don't update their garden listings as diligently as you'd think. I know for a fact that one of the person in the gardens listed does not grow it anymore. I know also I have not touched my own garden list here in some 5 years. "Clearly" is a bit much. :)
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The color is very cool in person. Honestly, the only thing wrong with the rose was 1. it climbs and 2. black spot. Otherwise, it was super cool.
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29 OCT by
Usami
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Hi, I made a donation/transaction to have premium membership a bit ago, but I do not see it reflected yet. Does it take a little while to take effect? I'd appreciate guidance. Thank you kindly.
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#1 of 2 posted
29 OCT by
jedmar
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The black star on red against your name denotes that you are a premium member. If you are not able to access some of the functions, try signing out and sign in again. Sometimes existing cookies are the issue.
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#2 of 2 posted
29 OCT by
Usami
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Thanks! I could see the star but only in some pages and in others not, i.e. in my uploaded photos in my profile, I had the star, but then if I looked at my comments on a rose entry, no star) I did sign in and out 3 times, to no avail.
But whatever the case I'm all set now. I'm able to see lineages which is what I wanted. I did not clear cookies, for what is worth.
I'm actually thinking that the premium membership might activate/deactivate at midnight. The first time it worked was on my post-midnight night-shift break when I picked up my phone.
This actually would make a lot of sense considering you get an explicit expiration date and because the systems my job uses for customers work that way lol.
Upon non payment service gets suspended at midnight on due date, if they want to suspend temporarily it will take effect at midnight, etc. this is for billing purposes in my job's context, but I guess in hmf context it might be simply the way things are coded...
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25 OCT by
Usami
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Wowzers!! All those hips!
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