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Johno 
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I am dubious of the ‘Golden Meillandina’ synonym here. Is there evidence that Ralph Moore sold naming rights to Meilland?
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#1 of 2 posted
9 OCT by
Johno
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I would have thought the same but the 1983, 1984 and 1995 references say otherwise. A Google translation of the 1995 reference : “Meillandina® selection of 5 varieties of extraordinary floribundity, with healthy, shiny green foliage, very resistant to diseases. Continuous flowering from the end of May until frost. Average height: 30/45 cm. Planting distance: 30 cm....
GOLDEN Meillandina ® Rise 'n Shine: Light yellow.”
It was clearly a marketing ploy, on par with Meilland renaming William Radler’s Coral Knock Out as Carefree Celebration. This renaming of roses has now become common practise across the world.
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#2 of 2 posted
10 OCT by
Lee H.
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Thank you. I (believe) I have the Meilland ‘Golden Sunblaze tm’ cultivar, but the existence of this one has always created some doubt.
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Hi,
Listing error.
( MEIkanaro) `Moon Glow` Not introduced by us in Australia (Treloar Roses)
Would be introduced by Corporate Roses who are the agents for Meilland
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#1 of 6 posted
24 SEP by
jedmar
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You are aware that 'Moon Glow' is on your website. We had information from 2020 that Treloar roses is introducing this rose. Corporate Roses is not an entity which is of much interest to our members, as our members would like to see the introductions by retail nurseries, where they can actually buy. CR on the other hand states: "we are focused on trialing, testing and releasing the latest new release roses from Meilland through a national network of growers, meaning you will be able to buy these beautiful roses from your local garden centre and specialist rose nursery."
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#2 of 6 posted
29 SEP by
Johno
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I don’t think you are quite right Jedmar. Corporate Roses is a member of the Rose Introducers of Australia (RIAUS) organization and as such responsible for introducing Meilland roses in Australia as their agent. Moon Glow would have been sold by several growers in 2020 as a new release but was probably seen by a HMF administrator in the Treloar’s catalogue.
There is inconsistency in what you are saying. As an example, Jubilé Papa Meilland (MEIceazar) in the HMF description says: “Introduced in Australia by Corporate Roses Pty. Ltd. in before 2022 as 'New Papa Meilland'”. There are numerous other examples of this where Corporate Roses is listed as the introducer.
To maintain consistency and be factually correct the introducer of Meilland Roses in Australia should be listed as Corporate Roses and members are able to find information on where to buy the rose from the Buy From tab
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#3 of 6 posted
29 SEP by
jedmar
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Yes, different admins seem to have handled this differently. In any case, this rose has been around in 2020 in Australia.
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#4 of 6 posted
30 SEP by
Johno
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We are keen for breeders and nurseries to take a more active role in HMF by updating their data. When the Director of the largest rose nursery in Australia takes the time and effort to report an error, we should be more responsive by making the small correction to the HMF page. This might for example, encourage him to correct and update the plant listing for the nursery.
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#5 of 6 posted
1 OCT by
jedmar
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Johno, we already had 'Moon Glow' as introduced by Treloar Roses in Australia in 2020 as 'Sunshine Daydeam'. Now it seems that Corporate Roses is re-introducing it in 2024. We have added another line for this, but now we have two introducers for a country, which is not something one normally finds on other pages of HMF.
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#6 of 6 posted
1 OCT by
Johno
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There is some misunderstanding here. The original request was to simply remove Treloar Roses as the Introducer in 2020 and substitute with the correct one, Corporate Roses. I don’t know where Sunshine Daydream came from. Photo of Treloar Roses 2020 catalogue , page 33 attached. Nowhere in the catalogue were they claiming it as a new release from them.
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Both references state it as at least fragrant enough to note it in their public comments. How fragrant that might be is beyond me, but it seems important to note for a red HT.
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#1 of 3 posted
27 SEP by
HubertG
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I'd rate fragrance for this rose about a 6 out of 10. It isn't really classical old rose/damask scent either.
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#2 of 3 posted
29 SEP by
Johno
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Even with my declining olfactory system, the fragrance is quite strong.
Michael, with its name did Camp David ever reach US shores? It is a good garden rose and is still regularly seen for sale in the big chain stores.
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I am not quite sure, Johno. I just know it looked good in the photos (close spacing between leaves; no noticeable mildew issue; petals not quilling for its color + era; satisfactory color), and that the references did not match HMF notes to date.
There are a lot of red HTs out there, but few are retained by gardeners, so I always take note of any that stand out for their era of time.
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Anyone have a picture ? Trying to compare it to High Stepper. I do not own either.
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Andrew..........
A few years before Mr. Moore died, several of us worked hard to return the roses that he had bred and had lost the mother plant to Sequoia Nursery to create a living archive of all of the roses he had created. 'Orange Cascade' was one of the roses that has remained on the "Lost Roses" list. There were over 100 cultivars returned to Sequoia, but some were never found again.
When you consider that Mr.Moore had been introducing roses for over 70 years, it's understandable that we couldn't get them all, but we sure tried.
Smiles,
Lyn
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Lyn,
I could never be a part of the rose search. At the time, it was next to impossible to get his roses from California to Florida. It was only when Nor East closed,and they pulled out all the stops as I like to say, that I was able to buy 210 of his varieties. I would have bought more (all) but many were sold out very fast. I am always trying to fill in the "blanks" as much as I can. I should be growing a dizzying array of Teas, instead of always replacing the minis I have. Thankfully, I have finally gotten good at grafting, and my misting system has been a godsend. I am guilty myself of not being diligent enough posting pictures for other rosarians. Hopefully that will change this year.
I appreciate the reply as always!
Regards,
Andrew
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Andrew........
You probably never knew about the "Lost Rose" search. It was a challenge and a wonderful experience. I had people send cuttings directly to Sequoia to be propagated and Mr. Moore was able to confirm the identity of the rose. I have found six more since he died and some photos of roses on the list have been posted to HMF as growing in a rose garden in Hungary.
Here's a link to the list of the Lost Roses that was published several years ago. Some of them have been found, but the majority are still "lost".
http://www.venturarose.org/article-missing-moore.htm
The mother plants were lost during floods in the Sacramento Valley and due to employee errors or many other kinds of things.
Any photos you can contribute of any of these lost roses will be treasures.
Smiles,
Lyn
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#4 of 4 posted
14 SEP by
Johno
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The link to the missing roses of Ralph Moore is broken. I am wondering if you could upload the list to HMF Publication resources. Thanks.
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