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I've added two roses I saw today at RBG Melbourne which were not on the HMF list. I've also removed 21 which appear no longer to be in the Gardens, though they may be there but well hidden. So the tally seems to be 106, down from 125.
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Thanks Eric for you work on updating the list. Let me know when your next in the garden and we could meet if you have the time. I can be contacted on email, generally the easiest, as l dont carry a phone. matt.howard@rbg.vic.gov.au
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Matt
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Today I noticed this Walt Disney sign inserted into the Claret Cup bed. I hadn't realised Claret Cup needed such treatment. The gardens are public property, so I wonder who paid for it …
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Enough claret, and anybody can see fairies?
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I can't see any fairies but I can see advertising by three huge international corporations, Disney, Apple and Google, who pay little or no tax.
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#3 of 10 posted
9 FEB 15 by
Jane Z
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The Royal Botanic Gardens and Domain Trust and the Walt Disney Company Australia
Come into the Garden and discover an Australian first!
Embark on a magical journey of discovery to find the fairies in their botanical homes - along with activities and fascinating facts about plants at each stop.
The bespoke apps, available in both English and Mandarin, were designed for four Australian botanic gardens: the Royal Botanic Garden, Sydney; the Australian Botanic Garden, Mount Annan; the Blue Mountains Botanic Garden, Mount Tomah and the Royal Botanic Gardens, Melbourne.
While at the Gardens, an activity booklet and signs will guide children on their Disney Fairies Trail adventure as they search for Tinker Bell, Fawn, Rosetta, Iridessa, Silvermist and Vidia. When they discover the fairies at the various locations around the botanic gardens, the app will provide location- specific information about the surrounding plant life. In addition, children are able to keep the fairies within the app and take them home to release in their own gardens.
Visitors can experience the Disney Fairies Trail from 30 November 2014 until 28 February 2015. Children will receive a free booklet with Disney Fairy activities as well as a collector passport within it, which can be used to mark off their Disney Fairy finds. Every child who collects fairies via the app can go to the Garden Shop or Visitor Centre at each Garden to pick up a free Disney Fairies’ packet of Diggers Club seeds.
http://www.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/welcome/feature_stories/Disney_Fairies_Trail
special program from 30 Nov 2014 - 28 Feb 2015
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Thanks, Jane. Really it's a well placed ad for Disney at little cost to them. Meanwhile it vulgarises what's left of the rose garden.
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#5 of 10 posted
9 FEB 15 by
Jane Z
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so you don't think they may have paid a reasonable price for the advertsing program - clearly though the 4 RBG's are using it as a way to get more people thru the gates (esp young families) and that in itself has to be a good move - but sadly most aspects of life are noww so horribly commercial these days ...
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There can be NO reasonable price for the advertising program. The Garden is a public institution and should not be used for advertising at any price, except occasionally for itself. It might cost $10000 to get an app written showing various plants in the Garden. In fact an app has been commissioned by the Shrine next door to do the same sort of thing there. As it is, there is no evidence whatever of children being drawn into the world of plants. Instead, right before their eyes and ours is glowing proof that the world of TV kitsch is everywhere.
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#7 of 10 posted
9 FEB 15 by
Jane Z
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perhaps we are at cross purposes - this appears to be a new form of fund raising by RBG for themselves, same as a public institution like ABC has shops etc. if this fund raising helps to bring more people into the gardens to spend time exploring, then there is some value surely ...
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We are not at cross purposes. It's not an acceptable form of fund raising if it undermines the institution. Yes, the ABC has shops but it has no advertising on air because it would undermine its charter. How about the navy running pleasure cruises to augment the naval estimates? What about money changers in the temple — so convenient.
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Hi Eric, thanks for sharing your thoughts. We have had a great response to the Disney app from a majority of visitors and it has attracted people to the Gardens who haven't been before and brought back many families who hadn't come in a long time. The trail raises awareness of plant habitat and conservation which is a key purpose of the Gardens. Through the partnership with Disney, more than 300 disadvantaged students have been able to visit the Gardens (including the Rose Collection) which would not have been possible without the funding they have provided. The Gardens relies on funding like this from various commercial organisations and private donors to run activities for our visitors, build new infrastructure and to keep the Gardens thriving for the benefit of the community.
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Matt, thanks for the information. I look forward to seeing the detailed evaluation of the changes through a properly conducted survey. Otherwise we are just left with corporate uplift. But if you read what I wrote carefully you will see that I am in favour of all those innovations, including introduction of an app. What I oppose is innovation tied to a corporate advertising campaign. The Shrine of Remembrance app will certainly not be an ad campaign for Pirates of the Caribbean, or for Gallipoli, the movie. Over the road they have too much self respect and too much funding to sell our birthright to men offering glass beads and bags of sugar.
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Patricia, Margaret and friends, I've been in contact with the long-time curator of the RBG Melbourne Species Rose collection. His name is Matt Howard. Matt is very keen to take over responsibility for the RBG entry on Help Me Find — hooray ! — and would like to know how he should go about this.
I have his email address and will forward it to you immediately offline, so to speak, so you can deal with him direct.
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That's great news ! We are always thrilled to have an appropriate representative take "ownership" of a HelpMeFind listing.
HMF has always been about individuals, organizations and companies using our website as a tool to communicate to the world's rose lovers (clematis and peonies too!). We have gone (and continue) to great lengths to provide an easy to use tool for everyone to share their knowledge and expertise.
Anyone interested in being included on HelpMeFind or taking over ownership of an existing listing is invited to contact out support department. All it takes to get started is registering for a free membership so we can link your membership account to your new or existing listing(s).
Please know membership is purely for HelpMeFind website usage and any personal information provided is not shared with anyone else. HMF is a community driven and funded website.
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Thanks, Admin. I'm sure Matt will be glad to respond.
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Hello and thanks for all the work Eric and the helpmefind group have done on getting the RBGM rose collection on this site. I am still trying to get my head around this site, as l not a big user of online forums, so please give me time! A quetion l have is how l change some the details on the history of the collection or correct details of the roses we have.
regards
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Matt, please contact the support department directly with your specific questions and they will be happy to help.
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Matt, once HMF registers that you are the contact person, an Edit button will appear next to the information fields. Just click and enter.
Altering the plant list is even easier: go into the list and delete the plant by clicking the X in the right hand column opposite the relevant plant.
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Thank you Eric - we have done just that.
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I've uploaded 122 of the 129 roses on the RBG Melbourne list. So far I'm uncertain about the missing seven, but I'll do some homework and add them in the next few days. Half the known ones are species roses: half are historic garden varieties.
I apologize to those I misled into expecting 'Lady Waterlow' and other lost ladies.
Sad to say, I have had no reply to my cry for help to RBG.
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Thank you Eric. It is a great pity that organisations sometimes don’t realise that volunteers can actually help. Having sent many an email seeking information, I almost convince myself that the emails just go into outer space. I am cheered by the vast international community of HelpMefind that can and does help contribute to our combined knowledge of roses.
And can we help with those missing seven?
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Patricia, I've got most of the missing ones. There's a spurious "Amour" I don't know how to remove. And there's a mysterious Rosa damascena semperflorens I can't find a match for. There will be a few more and I won't hesitate to ask. As you say, where would we be without our friends?
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"Amour" - sorry I can't help here with how to remove a name from a list.
It may be R. virginiana plena (Rose d’Amour) and you may be able to change it.
Rosa damascena semperflorens. Try Quatre Saisons.
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Good work, Eric! One that stands out is Juno, which you've listed as the hybrid spin. Given what's known to be available in Aus, it's more likely that it is what's sold here as the centifolia (I've heard mutterings abut its accuracy but am not in a position to comment). Next time you're at the Gardens, it would be worth checking the leaves, or the flowers in late spring.
Later comment; I've just seen hmfusr's lovely bud photos taken in the RGB. They fit with the other photos of the centifolia.
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Thank you, Margaret. 'Juno' fixed.
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Patricia, any idea what "Rosa rugosa (squat)" might signify?
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My mind is boggling. You have 'Fru Dagmar Hastrup' already listed.
'Max Graf' which squats really low is a wild guess. Or it may be that it is a rugosa seedling.
Sorry, perhaps only the Bot Gdns can help here.
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Heard a rumour that the Collection's curator — it has one? — is a member of HRIA. Could mean a breakthrough.
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A co-incidental piece of reading:
From 1979 'The Rose Annual', UK, page 139. Part of a letter to the editor from Dr. A. S. Thomas in Victoria:
Roses have never been a big feature in the Royal Melbourne Botanic Gardens but a new planting of them is to be made in the winter of 1978, featuring a lot of historic roses which have been imported from Hilier's Nurseries of Winchester. They have been through their quarantine period, and are thriving in large containers in the nursery of the RMBG.
(I can't help but note Heritage Roses in Australia was formed in 1979).
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Bureaucratic inertia may work in our favour. Excluding Riethmullers and Clarks, how many of the two hundred roses in the present collection are Hillier descendants? I have been in contact with Matt Howard, the curator and will ask him how much of the roses' provenance is known.
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Thanks Patricia for this bit of information, the history of the collection is rather sketchy and l had heard that the roses were sourced from Hillier's Nursery but had no further detail, so this is a great find l can add to my cutorial notes.
Regards
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#12 of 13 posted
18 JUN 14 by
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Yes, thank you Eric. Your participation is much appreciated.
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